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#21 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 07:53 AM

One of the replies in this thread lists possible 35 IIC lenses http://www.cinematog...showtopic=46580


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#22 panagiotis agapitou

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 11:19 AM

May he used a still converted lens ..
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Posted 13 October 2018 - 12:14 PM

May he used a still converted lens ..

You've already been told that what's in your photograph is a blimp window, not a lens.

Do you mean a converted stills lens? He had a wide-angle converter made for the f0.7 lens for "Barry Lyndon", but not for ACO, no.


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#24 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 03:56 AM

I've never read of Kubrick using a 12mm lens, the 9,8mm lens is imentioned in quite a few articles..

 

I suspect a 1970 12mm stills lens would be pretty slow, the Nikon 13mm is  f/5.6 and came out in 1976.


Edited by Brian Drysdale, 14 October 2018 - 04:01 AM.

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#25 panagiotis agapitou

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 03:53 PM

You've already been told that what's in your photograph is a blimp window, not a lens.

Do you mean a converted stills lens? He had a wide-angle converter made for the f0.7 lens for "Barry Lyndon", but not for ACO, no.

 

We are not talking anymore for the photograph .. check last posts 

 

 

I've never read of Kubrick using a 12mm lens, the 9,8mm lens is imentioned in quite a few articles..

 

I suspect a 1970 12mm stills lens would be pretty slow, the Nikon 13mm is  f/5.6 and came out in 1976.

 

i saw it here : https://indiefilmhustle.com/laowa-12mm-venus-optics/ 

 

and here : https://www.reddit.c...lenses/cpwoi85/


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#26 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 04:08 PM

The' reddit is the only time I've come across a reference. to a 12mm, there is no mention of who they are or if the information they got is correct about it being used on Clockwork Orange..

 

The lens in a photo of the hospital scene on the first  link looks rather like the 9.8mm


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#27 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 09:01 PM

 

Yeah I wouldn't trust those sources. The first one claims "most of Clockwork Orange was shot on a 12mm" which is patently incorrect. The second is just some guy making a single line claim on a Reddit thread. 

 

12mm is actually a pretty rare focal length for 35mm, I don't know of any older lenses except the Zeiss 12mm from I would guess the late 70s or 80s (definitely later than 1970) which is in actual fact a 16mm Standard Speed with an aspheric adapter on the front. It exhibits substantial chromatic aberration and doesn't compare favourably with the 10mm or 14mm Zeiss Standards that came out later. I doubt Kubrik would have liked it.

 

Kubrick was known to also use various adapted stills lenses, but I don't know of any 12mm photography lenses from that era either. Zeiss made an f/8 15mm Hologon in the late 60s that was close to rectilinear, anything wider was basically fish-eye, and as Brian mentioned, would have been very slow.

 

In 1970 he would have had access to a 9.8mm Kinoptik, a 14.5mm Angenieux, an 18mm Cooke Speed Panchro and an 18mm Schneider as wide angle choices for his Arriflex 2C. I don't know exactly when the Zeiss 16mm Standard Speed was introduced, but I suspect it was after 1970.

 

In the Joe Dunton interview about Kubrick's lenses, he mentions a specially made housing for the 9.8mm Kinoptik, by which I would assume he meant the wide-angle front port for the blimp, as seen in the initial thread photo, which differs from the standard 120 blimp port (as Mark mentioned).


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#28 panagiotis agapitou

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 09:24 PM

 
Yeah I wouldn't trust those sources. The first one claims "most of Clockwork Orange was shot on a 12mm" which is patently incorrect. The second is just some guy making a single line claim on a Reddit thread. 
 
12mm is actually a pretty rare focal length for 35mm, I don't know of any older lenses except the Zeiss 12mm from I would guess the late 70s or 80s (definitely later than 1970) which is in actual fact a 16mm Standard Speed with an aspheric adapter on the front. It exhibits substantial chromatic aberration and doesn't compare favourably with the 10mm or 14mm Zeiss Standards that came out later. I doubt Kubrik would have liked it.
 
Kubrick was known to also use various adapted stills lenses, but I don't know of any 12mm photography lenses from that era either. Zeiss made an f/8 15mm Hologon in the late 60s that was close to rectilinear, anything wider was basically fish-eye, and as Brian mentioned, would have been very slow.
 
In 1970 he would have had access to a 9.8mm Kinoptik, a 14.5mm Angenieux, an 18mm Cooke Speed Panchro and an 18mm Schneider as wide angle choices for his Arriflex 2C. I don't know exactly when the Zeiss 16mm Standard Speed was introduced, but I suspect it was after 1970.
 
In the Joe Dunton interview about Kubrick's lenses, he mentions a specially made housing for the 9.8mm Kinoptik, by which I would assume he meant the wide-angle front port for the blimp, as seen in the initial thread photo, which differs from the standard 120 blimp port (as Mark mentioned).



You are right !!!

In Vivian's making of the Shining .. Before going to shoot a maze scene .. Stanley ask to be available the 9.8mm the 14.5mm and the 18mm !!

If he used also and a 12mm why not ask to be and this available ... ;)



I have another question ... Garett brown said that the most of the film was shot with the Cooke 18mm

In the Shining Kubrick did a hard use of the Zeiss B Speeds set

Have any thoughts why he preffered the Cooke 18mm instead of the Zeiss T1.4 18mm ?

Thanks again !!
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#29 Dom Jaeger

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 12:54 AM

I have another question ... Garett brown said that the most of the film was shot with the Cooke 18mm

In the Shining Kubrick did a hard use of the Zeiss B Speeds set

Have any thoughts why he preffered the Cooke 18mm instead of the Zeiss T1.4 18mm ?

 

No idea, maybe he just liked the Cooke better? In the Dunton interview, he only mentions the 25, 35, 50 and 85mm Zeiss B-Speeds, which he says was the first range available, so maybe Kubrick never owned the 18mm.


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#30 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 02:28 AM

There is what is termed the "Cooke look" https://www.premiumb...the-cooke-look/

 

Kubrick will have tested the lenses, so made a choice on what he preferred.


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#31 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 09:48 AM

This old thread states that Kubrick had the Angenieux 14.5 mm T4 in his lens set, which fits in with what Dom says was available at the time.

 

http://www.cinematog...showtopic=24878


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