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#1 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 09:33 PM

Just wondering if anyone can share some stories?

 

Pinched fingers are pretty common, but I usually need to grip and shoot all on my own.

 

This lead to a scare 2 days ago. Was taking down a MR1K off a 7.5 foot high speed rail. Some of the weight was pressed on the baby pin, but I was trying to adjust the angle it was screwed in at.

Suddenly it slipped off the pin and I was trying to hold it up with one arm to get it back in place. This worked for about 2 seconds until my shoulder buckled and dislocated.

 

It popped back in quickly but I was one-armed for the rest of that shoot... Then tried playing basketball later that day.


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#2 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 10:50 PM

Just wondering if anyone can share some stories?

 

Pinched fingers are pretty common, but I usually need to grip and shoot all on my own.

 

This lead to a scare 2 days ago. Was taking down a MR1K off a 7.5 foot high speed rail. Some of the weight was pressed on the baby pin, but I was trying to adjust the angle it was screwed in at.

Suddenly it slipped off the pin and I was trying to hold it up with one arm to get it back in place. This worked for about 2 seconds until my shoulder buckled and dislocated.

 

It popped back in quickly but I was one-armed for the rest of that shoot... Then tried playing basketball later that day.

 

 

sorry to hear about your injury .. but basically this is why we need unions.. and 10 hr turn arounds etc.. people get injured and some die .. dont want to be all preaching but you shouldn't do a shoot that requires a grip/spark.. but producers expect the DP to do it..


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#3 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 08 July 2018 - 10:53 PM

The thing is, if I don't grip for it, the work doesn't come out looking good thus not leading to more work. Like I don't really have the leverage to uphold basic labor laws lol.


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#4 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 01:54 AM

The thing is, if I don't grip for it, the work doesn't come out looking good thus not leading to more work. Like I don't really have the leverage to uphold basic labor laws lol.

 

 

Yes sure see what you mean.. hello  capitalism .. ;)... I guess no easy answer .. but two things.. the people you are working for now will always treat you like this..if they ever get a big budget film they wont ask you to shoot it..empirical fact.. and a person who is paralyzed or dead ,have very limited career opportunities ..


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#5 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:02 AM

All true, Robin, but I'm inclined towards the OP's point of view on this. Personally I never really expected to end up shooting big budget movies and TV shows so the choice remains either try to make it look good or don't. Naturally I'm not promoting doing anything really unsafe but have I shot stuff where I should have had a proper crew and didn't, and did I do it anyway? Sure.

 

The choice I eventually took was to realise that unless we are very good and extremely lucky (and I am neither) the maximum level of advancement in this field is really not all that spectacular, and I really stopped pursuing camerawork, which was probably one of the best decisions I ever made.

 

It's a mug's game, really. For what it's worth, whenever I do shoot stuff these days it's still always going to be terribly cheap and nasty.

 

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#6 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:33 AM

Yes I know there is a thin line... and of course we want to do our best work.. but you have to be careful of the so called producers who will always take advantaged of that .. as Im sure they have since silent film days.they are not your friend...and these same people will never, never, ever give you the shoot with the decent budget.. its a losing hand..


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#7 Ed Conley

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:34 AM

This injury could have occurred on a union shoot too.


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#8 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 02:28 PM

I never really expected to end up shooting big budget movies and TV shows 

What kinda spirit is that, Phil??


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#9 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:38 PM

What kinda spirit is that, Phil??

One brought to you by the department of reality, founded by someone who attended the school of hard knocks, the college of unanticipated fists to the face, and the university of getting the shit kicked out of you.

 

(Thankyou, Edmund)


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#10 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:11 PM

This injury could have occurred on a union shoot too.

 

 

Not by the DOP though.. or at least it would have been a 2 person job.. taking a 1K off a 7.5 feet high rail by yourself ..!..Im just saying generally a properly crewed set will have less injuries than a tried over worked DP doing the grips/sparks job too.. thats pretty much common sense no..?


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#11 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:12 PM

Well I'm 6'3 so it didn't seem that drastic. Then again if it was an average height person I could see how that's a much larger labor law issue.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:58 PM

Then they wouldn't need any labour laws in Denmark ..  :).. if height was the criteria.. you still dislocated your shoulder.. I would get that checked out too just in case ..


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#13 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:04 PM

I don't wish to make light of your injury, but a Mole 1k weighs about 10-12 pounds. That's hardly a huge weight to have to deal with. You're just as likely to injure yourself carrying groceries from the store to your car.


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#14 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:26 PM

I don't wish to make light of your injury, but a Mole 1k weighs about 10-12 pounds. That's hardly a huge weight to have to deal with. You're just as likely to injure yourself carrying groceries from the store to your car.

Duh 12 pounds is light, I could carry 150 pounds if it had a handle at my side, the issue is that my arm was at a weird angle because of the speedrail, and being so high up: not at the average center of strength (below the shoulders). All of the weight was placed on a tendon as opposed to a muscle.


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:35 PM

Many sound recordist have had nasty back injuries picking up their wallets.. this is strictly a two man job.. if you see a wallet from audio dept.. DO NOT attempt to move it by yourself ..


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Posted 09 July 2018 - 11:53 PM

Duh 12 pounds is light, I could carry 150 pounds if it had a handle at my side, the issue is that my arm was at a weird angle because of the speedrail, and being so high up: not at the average center of strength (below the shoulders). All of the weight was placed on a tendon as opposed to a muscle.

Well, duh maybe you should have used a ladder. There are plenty of common sense rules for safe lifting.


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#17 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:03 AM

Well, duh maybe you should have used a ladder. There are plenty of common sense rules for safe lifting.

I'm too tall for ladders. My places are behind the camera and in a computer chair.


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#18 Michael LaVoie

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 06:27 PM

My key grip once tried to move a light without lowering the head. It was up pretty high and I saw him losing balance so I told him to stop.  Lower the light and then move it.    Also common is plugging in a light and not checking to see if the unit is switched on.  Which, when barn doors are closed, leads to a cooked set of doors and a blown lamp.   

 

Basic safety protocol in G&E is common sense but it's always better to have experienced crew on board.  Even they can get tired and forget the usual checks and balances so just imagine the damage and injury an intern or student can do.  Not worth it.


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Posted 11 July 2018 - 11:51 AM

 

 

Not by the DOP though.. or at least it would have been a 2 person job.. taking a 1K off a 7.5 feet high rail by yourself ..!..Im just saying generally a properly crewed set will have less injuries than a tried over worked DP doing the grips/sparks job too.. thats pretty much common sense no..?

 

 

cameras weigh more than that 1k :)


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#20 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:48 PM

 

 

cameras weigh more than that 1k :)

 

 

Its not the weight its the place it was.. and the guy did dislocate his shoulder.. pretty sure this would have been better as a two man job.. your not seriously arguing the case for DP,s to be doing grip work on under staffed shoots are you... does other mean producer :)


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