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#1 Gabriel Wilson

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 07:56 PM

Shooting Red Epic for the first time. Longtime Arri - Sony User any exposure/ Gamma tips tricks? 


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#2 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:10 PM

get ready for those fans

 

Which sensor are you shooting on?


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#3 Gabriel Wilson

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:18 PM

Actually may have to write to the rental house don't seem to see the info? Maybe I am not seeing it?

 

http://www.productio...on.com/red-epic


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#4 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:24 PM

"X camera package" may be referring to the Mysterium-X sensor, at least that's how they detail it on eBay.

http://www.red.com/p...c-mx#tech-specs

 

I shot on that sensor but with a Red One, so not as many frame rate/DR features.

I recall it was a very warm sensor, but also pretty noisy. Cropping into 3k or lower made the footage unusable for some people's standards.

Also could get a tad too magenta in the mids/shadows at times.

 

Not sure if this helps.


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#5 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:51 PM

Wear a flannel shirt..  .. if you dont have long hair for man bun.. wear wig.. call all other crew members Dude or Bro.. if at all possible skate board to location.. or at least carry one around at such break.. declare after cut that each shot was sick and /or awesome ..


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#6 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 08:54 PM

Yeah that's pretty essential to Red's marketing I'd say


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#7 Keith Walters

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 10:24 PM

In my day, they used to turn up in running shoes without any socks.
I remember one early 80s hippy outfit (financed by the head honcho's mother) where they kept bringing back various pieces of  studio equipment claiming they was faulty, but we could never find anything wrong with any of them. Turned out his Jennifer Juniper girlfriend had become concerned about  the effect all these "electrics" might be having on his Aura, and so their production studio was draped with crystals and negative ion generators. The electrostatic charge from those was what was buggering up the equipment  :rolleyes:


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#8 Ken Willinger

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:21 AM

A lot of negativity regarding the users of this camera. Weird. It's just a tool. I have filmed some very good images with the Red Epic at 5K HD setting. There can be noise in very low light situations but overall I found it to be a well made professional camera system (it had the Pro IO unit on it which gave it XLR inputs). Set the fans on silent record.


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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:50 AM

Wear a flannel shirt..  .. if you dont have long hair for man bun.. wear wig.. call all other crew members Dude or Bro.. if at all possible skate board to location.. or at least carry one around at such break.. declare after cut that each shot was sick and /or awesome ..

 

Make certain you grow some Hipster chin scruff before the shoot.  As an alternative to riding a long board to set, a Razor scooter would do.


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#10 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:50 AM

Ken.. its pretty light hearted banter really..thats been going on for a while on this forum .. of course they can produce great images.. I think everyone who watches TV or see films knows that..  but there is no denying there is a bit of room for piss taking with the image they have largely nurtured themselves as a company ..and their disciples .. and the whole skull thing and naming of parts/camera,s can be seen to bit a wank TBH..  Im sure the engineers themselves most likely think the same..


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#11 Gabriel Wilson

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:35 AM

Made me laugh..But I still need some advice on using the camera. It's the dragon sensor.


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#12 Ken Willinger

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:39 AM

Agreed Robin... the naming and marketing of some of their products seems to be aimed at 12 year old boys. Never understood where that was coming from.


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#13 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:42 AM

With 16.5 stops of dynamic range and an (I assume) understanding of metering light/stops, what exposure tricks could there possibly be?


Edited by Macks Fiiod, 10 March 2018 - 10:42 AM.

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#14 Gabriel Wilson

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:54 AM

ISO sweet spot? Gamm curves?


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#15 Robin R Probyn

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:14 AM

Sorry derailing your thread.. couldn't resist the tag line.. I,ll shut up now.. :)


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#16 Macks Fiiod

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 12:37 PM

They recommend 400-2000 ISO,

as for preferred curve, are you able to get some quick test recordings? For me, I can only trust hands-on grading.


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#17 Gabriel Wilson

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:48 PM

Yes going to test. Im just a bit confused about the colorspace Redgamma vs redlog are they basically just Mluts? if its still recording underlying raw?


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#18 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:56 PM

It always records RAW. The REDcolor and REDgamma options are the same as the MLUTs on Sony cameras.


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#19 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 10:06 AM

One thing I'll say about it; I find going into color and bringing down the green channel a bit (to say 0.8 or 0.9) can be helpful. I always find the  Red Epic/Dragons a little green biased.


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#20 Chris Steel

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Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:00 AM

Here's some stuff that I write down after working with a system for a while so if I don't use it for a while I remember where things are and what's worked in the past:

Black balance between 37° to 47° C. Find a fan speed that keeps that temperature consistent and run the calibration. This fan speed is now your baseline, use auto sparingly.

 

Redgamma settings

Menu > Settings > Look > Color/Gamma

 

User Buttons Setup:

  1. Raw check

  2. Fan Mode

  3. Media

  1. False colour

  2. 1:1

  3. Zebra 1/2 toggle

  4. TC Jamsync

 

Fan noise shouldn't be too much of an issue now but the sensor temperature is annoyingly fragile. I find setting a consistent fan speed that keeps temperature stable ends up being quieter overall than Auto/Quiet record


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