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#41 David Peterson

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:09 AM

If Panasonic GH5 / GH5S doesn't appeal to you and you really want to keep your budget around $2K or under then I seriously reckon you should go for a Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera or a Sony PMW-F3 (or maybe the Sony FS700, but you'd have to be very lucky to get that with an Atomos Shogun and not end up pushing the budget too far past $2K).
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#42 Philippe Orlando

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 11:10 AM

What makes you believe that the Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera is better than the BMCC 2.5K MFT with a speedbooster?


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 06:08 PM

The big two: 60fps (sweet sexy slow motion!) + smaller size & weight (important if rigging, say an overhead shot or onto a car. Also very important if using with a gimbal)

 

 

The expansion port is also interesting, if you want to use the Micro on a drone, or another handy use I've seen people design shoulder rigs so you've got more control of the Micro from the grip handle. 

But everything else is just gravy on top after those big first two points. I'd even be willing to pay a premium for them over the BMCC! (but you don't need to, as they're around the same price now. But if the BMMCC went on half price sale like the BMPCC did the I'd snap up a Micro in a heart beat!)


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#44 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:52 PM

Micro is a nifty little thing that's for sure. Also the LP-e6 battery is very nice and I find SD cards substantially easier to work with on set -v- SSDs.


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#45 Philippe Orlando

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

I'm looking more that that Micro!


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:12 PM

In my eyes the two best cameras from BMD are:

URSA Mini 4.6K Pro (the non-Pro version is not that much cheaper, but the Pro is so much better
Micro Cinema Camera (is like the peak of development of the BMCC => BMPCC => BMMCC series)

As we can ignore anything with the 4K sensor (welllll.... if I saw the URSA Mini 4K at a crazy low price like US$1.5K secondhand or lower then maybe I couldn't say no!). 


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 09:16 PM

But don't you think that we're losing something with the Micro Cinema Camera and the BMPCC compared to the BMCC that is 2.5K?  Don't you think that the added resolution is worth getting?


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Posted 06 February 2018 - 10:05 PM

There is only a small difference in resolution between 2.5K and 1080

And if you're not shooting in raw (95% of the time I am not, and I presume any one buying an ultra low budget camera is also not, especially if say they're doing a long project like a feature film or a web series) then there is basically ZERO difference between the ProRes HQ of the BMPCC , BMCC , and BMMCC (maybe some careful A/B testing can find some hairs to split)


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 06:42 AM

True, I shouldn't be in hair splitting at by budget level and I just looked a a picture comparing the different format using rectangles, yes, the difference between 1080 and 2.5K is almost trivial.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:02 AM

David, when I go on B&H it seems that people still like the BMPCC more than the Micro!


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#51 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:08 AM

BMPCC would be cheaper for them to use without the need for an external monitor. I'd buy a micro rigged out though before a BMPCC again.


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Posted 07 February 2018 - 07:13 AM

Yes, right now there is some Moza air on sale on B&H with a monitor, and I can see how it'd work with the Micro


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Posted 09 February 2018 - 06:13 AM

David, when I go on B&H it seems that people still like the BMPCC more than the Micro!

I think it is just because the BMPCC is much more famous than the Micro, as the Micro came along latter. 

A lack of a screen is no excuse, you can get a Feelworld F6 for under two hundred bucks to use with a Micro:

https://www.aliexpre...2841628214.html

Or spend a bit more for a SmallHD Focus or a SmallHD 502 (that one is my dream!).


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#54 Adrian Sierkowski

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:38 AM

Get the smallHD; it's well worth it.


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