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#21 Volker Bendt

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:00 PM

Hi Carl,

the Switars are nice lenses, no doubt. I've got the 10/26and 50mm on the turret of my BOLEX and love them.

But for your ACL you should also consider ZEISS super speeds in ARRI bayonet mount, ready to use.

 

With a little bit of luck you might even get two of them, 1,2/9,5 plus 1,2/12 or 16 or 25mm at the price of one modified Switar.

 

Good luck,

Volker


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#22 Volker Bendt

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:35 PM

Hi again,

for the Distagon super speed 1,2/9,5mm there is an Aspheron pre lens which makes it a super wide 5,6mm.

I have that one and it's sharp and free of distortion, but tricky with reflections.

I can also use it with the Vario-Sonnar 2/11-110mm, makes it a fix 6mm, no zooming.

 

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#23 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 04:27 PM

Problem is I would prefer have them all in PL-mount instead of switching lenses constanly.

And maybe I can get a good deal converting a whole set of lenses. And right now I am just looking for a 9,5-18 range... To cover

C
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#24 Volker Bendt

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 05:08 PM

There is a Switar 10mm with defektive diaphragm lever, may be its ok for rehousing,

eBay-Artikelnummer: 162176946837
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#25 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 06:35 PM

Carl,  you should be able to find a set of Schneider primes in Arri-S quite cheap.  These can look really good,  just not as sharp as Zeiss.

Also Cooke Kinetals in Arri-S.

MKI Zeiss superspeeds in Arri-B mount may still be not too expensive if you look hard.

 

What mount adapters do you have for your ACL?  I think the Arri-B one will also take Arri-S,  though there are separate adapters for S and B.

 

Rehousing the switars sounds like an odd solution.  I would not go that way unless it had worked technically and financially for someone else.  I think you would want to try the lenses yourself before you committed to that.


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#26 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 06:43 PM

Carl,  you should be able to find a set of Schneider primes in Arri-S quite cheap.  These can look really good,  just not as sharp as Zeiss.

Also Cooke Kinetals in Arri-S.

MKI Zeiss superspeeds in Arri-B mount may still be not too expensive if you look hard.

 

What mount adapters do you have for your ACL?  I think the Arri-B one will also take Arri-S,  though there are separate adapters for S and B.

 

Rehousing the switars sounds like an odd solution.  I would not go that way unless it had worked technically and financially for someone else.  I think you would want to try the lenses yourself before you committed to that.

 

Well the thing is this...maybe I am just very bad at looking, but the lenses you are talking about will still set me back a pretty penny, and they are in a different mount still.

The lens maker I makes new housing and new front coating as well to make them fit better together as well. And test it on digital and film cameras to work. Each one takes minimum of a month, and the people that I know who ordered from him says it has been on par with Duclos, and GL-optics.

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#27 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 08:27 PM

If you can find a set of Scneider or Kinetal or Zeis then they may have always been a matched set.  But you may have to build that set yourself.  I looked on ebay,  including completed listings for "Scneider 10mm" and got these theree,  quite cheap.....

 

http://www.ebay.com/...4#ht_576wt_1366

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_3028wt_1366

http://www.ebay.com/...d#ht_335wt_1366

 

Can't remember all the focal lenghths that were in those Schneider sets....mabe 10, 12,25, 50, 75mm.  Have a look.  Get inventive with your search skills.

 

Buying a set is always best,  if you can find an original matched set,  or if you can find someone who has already done all the work building a set.

 

You do need to think a bit about what style of shooting you want the lens(s) for.  Maybe spending on a S16 zoom is better.  But using a prime set provokes an exploration of logical thinking and the visual vocabulary that a zoom will not really do.


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#28 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 08:49 PM

If you can find a set of Scneider or Kinetal or Zeis then they may have always been a matched set.  But you may have to build that set yourself.  I looked on ebay,  including completed listings for "Scneider 10mm" and got these theree,  quite cheap.....

 

http://www.ebay.com/...4#ht_576wt_1366

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_3028wt_1366

http://www.ebay.com/...d#ht_335wt_1366

 

Can't remember all the focal lenghths that were in those Schneider sets....mabe 10, 12,25, 50, 75mm.  Have a look.  Get inventive with your search skills.

 

Buying a set is always best,  if you can find an original matched set,  or if you can find someone who has already done all the work building a set.

 

You do need to think a bit about what style of shooting you want the lens(s) for.  Maybe spending on a S16 zoom is better.  But using a prime set provokes an exploration of logical thinking and the visual vocabulary that a zoom will not really do.

 

As crazy as it sounds I am trying to make a fully fledged production camera for shorts. And I need someting that my 1st AC can work with, hence the rehousing.

As for the Kern-Switar I gain speed. I know the super speeds are amazing but if I can't go for that much, but something in the same ballpark, in cine-productio quality?  That would be amazing.

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#29 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 09:21 PM

Optar illuminas?  Brand new for $898 ?

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_2952wt_1128

 

What mount adapters do you have for your ACL?


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#30 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 09:46 PM

Optar illuminas?  Brand new for $898 ?

http://www.ebay.com/...#ht_2952wt_1128

 

What mount adapters do you have for your ACL?

 

PL-mount and both ARRI mounts (the adapter that takes both).

Optar Illumina in 12mm looks good in PL.

1200 from Russia.

I am hoping to build a good relationship with my lens maker however, and I think it would be nice to have unique lenses that are giving me that look I want.

C


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#31 Carl Nenzen Loven

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 09:58 AM

Now this might be even more crazy, but seeing as we are already in the S16 field, what are the odds of making a B4-lens look good on S16?

There are a lot of B4 lenses on Ebay, both primes and Zooms, and some have really good reviews, but as for now I am just afraid for the image quality. The chromatic abborration seems very common in the zooms (as well as a focus fall off), but I am not sure if they are using the “cheap” MTF adapter.

I have emailed Abelcine to find out more, but I think B4 is a mount to dive into if it can deliver.

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#32 Kenny N Suleimanagich

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:28 AM

NFL Films did this a lot. Abakus makes a B4-S16 PL adapter that enlarges the image circle optically. There are some great B4 lenses. You should be sure to get ones designed for HD. 

 

Here is a Canon ENG B4 zoom used on an ARRI SR3

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