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#221 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:31 PM

 

While the wedding business has probably a higher dollar per plate, I can't imagine getting 35 people fed for $25 for 3 meals... and as mentioned that includes tables and sundries for a meal, as well as setup/breakdown and area cleanup.

 

It has zip to do with an opinion of people, just knowing the catering business, and at some point, it's as 'cheap' as one can get, and still have people not 'sick' from whatever is provided for less of a price.

 

I personally became a gourmet of wedding catering... it was the only pay I got from supporting the Wife in her business...

Okay, so I suppose all of the churches that put on functions weekly across the whole world are dying or getting sick from food poisoning because they arent spending absurd amounts on food catering.  :rolleyes:

 

Fair enough...you know best for your project so go ahead and spend half Kevin Smith's budget on Clerks to feed people. RR could almost make El Mariachi twice on that total. But I guess those guys are hacks who make "total garbage."


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#222 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:32 PM

Wow, you really have a low opinion of people, dont you?


I'm sorry, but even though a "student" could cook the food, that doesn't mean they have a box truck ready to go with all the KEY accessories necessary for catering.
 

Feeding 35 people isnt that hard for even for some mothers in this world. But throw other people's money away if you want.


I see your confusion, John touched on it above. You don't grasp/understand the complexity of catering a meal what so ever.
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#223 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:37 PM

I see your confusion, John touched on it above. You don't grasp/understand the complexity of catering a meal what so ever.

Of course I don't. Because you are the only person that understands anything around here, Tyler. Get over yourself, dude.


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#224 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:39 PM

Okay, so I suppose all of the churches that put on functions weekly across the whole world are dying or getting sick from food poisoning because they arent spending absurd amounts on food catering.


Right, so when you're on location somewhere random, there is a huge building to protect the crew from the sunlight during that ONE half hour break they get every 6hrs? Ohh and surly crew will eat soup and crackers, that's the "standard" meal eh?
 

Fair enough...you know best for your project so go ahead and spend half Kevin Smith's budget on Clerks to feed people. RR could almost make El Mariachi twice on that total. But I guess those guys are hacks who make "total garbage."


You had to pick two movies with pretty much no crew, being shot on weekends for fun, in places where nobody cares, more then 20 years ago. Times have changed and I have no interest in making a feature with my buddies on the weekends for payment in pizza. You pay to make it right, or you're not ready to make it.
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#225 John E Clark

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:41 PM

Okay, so I suppose all of the churches that put on functions weekly across the whole world are dying or getting sick from food poisoning because they arent spending absurd amounts on food catering.  :rolleyes:

 

Fair enough...you know best for your project so go ahead and spend half Kevin Smith's budget on Clerks to feed people. RR could almost make El Mariachi twice on that total. But I guess those guys are hacks who make "total garbage."

 

Perhaps church socials have changed since my youth... but most church 'meals' were potlucks and the support/service provided 'for free', and if problems arose, like food poisoning, or perhaps even all the 'mothers' decided not to cook for the potluck, no great difficulty would ensue... unless it was an e-coli outbreatk... or the like...

 

I'm sure many nolo budget filmmakers would love to have 'free' support... not everyone has a Mother. Scorsese to cook for the crew...

 

 

I've eaten at restaurants with a 'B' rating... I've eaten at food stands in Mexico... I would not recommend such for meals for a crew were work was expected post meal...


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#226 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:44 PM

Of course I don't. Because you are the only person that understands anything around here, Tyler. Get over yourself, dude.


Why are you picking on me? John is the person who put you in your place related to catering, I was merely agreeing with him.

Richard did the same thing when it came to "good" movies, earlier in this thread. I merely agreed with him.

Stop the "beef" dude, it's getting old.

I posted a "workable" budget, based on actual data that took time to compile. What have you done? Why don't you read it and learn from it, instead of blasting one minuscule part?
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#227 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:48 PM

You pay to make it right, or you're not ready to make it.

You wonder why the "beef" when you make comments like this? It isnt a beef, it is how you talk dude. You are speaking about people who are far more successful than you but you still act like they are hacks. What have you done that gives you a right to criticize them?


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#228 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 03:07 PM

Welcome to the Internet... And you do know, this is an Internet forum, a place to share your opinions on things, right? There are millions of people bitching and moaning about everything on the Internet. That's just the reality of things. Most of them probably don't have a clue what they're talking about. At least I've got a little bit of one.
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#229 JD Hartman

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:23 PM

Tyler does you budget of $24 per person per day include beverages and craft services?  You do have a separate person working crafty, don't you?  After all Lincoln did free the slaves.....


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#230 Chris Burke

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:29 PM

I truly wonder if some people on this forum have logo-rhea. 


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#231 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:40 PM

I truly wonder if some people on this forum have logo-rhea. 

I was confused by what you meant until I discovered "logorrhea." I am guessing this is what you are referring to?

 

https://en.wikipedia...ea_(psychology)


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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:49 PM

Yes


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Posted 13 July 2016 - 06:53 PM

More specifically if the need or desire to speak or comment is truly out of their control. 


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#234 Richard Boddington

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 07:10 PM

Tyler does you budget of $24 per person per day include beverages and craft services?  You do have a separate person working crafty, don't you?  After all Lincoln did free the slaves.....

 

The film budget should indeed have a separate person for "crafty."  

 

This craft person should also have five star accommodation and transportation via limo to and from set each day.  The crafty person should also have three assistants to help them in this noble endeavour, and a luxury trailer on set, plus another trailer to be used as an office.

 

The food of course should be fit for presidents and kings, nothing less will do for a film crew.  If you are not flying in fresh lobster each day from Maine in a private jet then you are abusing the crew and you should be screamed out of the film business via internet forums full of film workers.

 

Always remember, film crews are the most skilled, most irreplaceable workers on planet earth.  Any belief contrary to this is heresy.

 

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#235 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 07:13 PM

 

The film budget should indeed have a separate person for "crafty."  

 

This craft person should also have five star accommodation and transportation via limo to and from set each day.  The crafty person should also have three assistants to help them in this noble endeavour, and a luxury trailer on set, plus another trailer to be used as an office.

 

The food of course should be fit for presidents and kings, nothing less will do for a film crew.  If you are not flying in fresh lobster each day from Maine in a private jet then you are abusing the crew and you should be screamed out of the film business via internet forums full of film workers.

 

Always remember, film crews are the most skilled, most irreplaceable workers on planet earth.  Any belief contrary to this is heresy.

 

R,

Richard, it is posts like these that make me wish I were British.


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#236 Tyler Purcell

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 08:52 PM

Tyler does you budget of $24 per person per day include beverages and craft services?  You do have a separate person working crafty, don't you?  After all Lincoln did free the slaves.....


Richard is right, it's a separate entity all together.

I've done the math and tried a few things on various shoots. I think the best way to do crafty is the more traditional way, hire someone whose done it before, knows how to shop properly and pay them $150/day labor + $150/day for food.

I think it's a mistake to mix breakfast, lunch and dinner into "crafty". I've tried that tactic before on set, but it makes for longer breaks. People want run and go food during the day, so a table setup and some easy/simple food on it, works great.

I'm very much into fruit and vegetables in small coolers, healthy run and go snack packs (which crafty makes each morning) and of course, the typical chips and stuff. The big mistake people make with crafty is not spending enough and buying sugar treats, that just kills it for everyone.

Also, the "dinner" part would not be every day. Most day's we'd just serve left-overs from lunch for dinner IF we don't go overtime. It would be for the strike crew only. On days we go over, that's when a full dinner will be given prior to strike.
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