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#41 Adam Valuckas

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 09:13 AM

Two words-

Lenses Tissue


my fake DP name would be Stiff Shooter :lol:
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#42 Boone Hudgins

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:41 AM

Barry Sonnenfeld had some interesting things to say about his work in the industry. It really made him sick. There was an interview on, I think it was The Directors, where he said it made him impotent for six months.
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Posted 05 May 2005 - 03:54 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA Really it made him impotent? what a poor bastard. There you have it Matt stay away lol.
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#44 Daniel J. Ashley-Smith

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 05:39 PM

There was an interview on, I think it was The Directors, where he said it made him impotent for six months.

:lol: Poor him... Yeh listen to Jake.. stay away... I think after watching "Irreversible" I got that... sick film... very innovative though. (I actually felt physically sick after watching that...)

I'm not sure if anyones mentioned this yet, but if you own your own equipment, you could try doing some weddings or something. Build yourself up a wedding reel by doing friends and family weddings e.t.c. and then move onto working for other people.

Out of interest, how did you manage to get your own equipment? Almost all the projects I've done have been with someone elses camera equipment, trouble is I just can't afford a descent camera. I'd only ever go for something like a DVX100, XL1s or XL2 or something (anything that'l do progressive scan), but they are just well out of my reach. Sucks badly...

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#45 Elhanan Matos

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 10:20 PM

I know a few AC's, DP's, Video engineers, etc... who have worked on porn, and they say it's just like any other job they have had to work on. But they haven't worked on any sleazy basement porn stuff, mostly Playboy and Vivid productions... Personally I would rather work on Porn than a 20 hour ultra low budget no food no water Indy film.
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Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:02 AM

"Why don't you shoot stuff teens (like you) wanna see--not porn."

You don't know many teenagers, do you? : )
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#47 Daniel J. Ashley-Smith

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 09:29 AM

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wow you really felt sick after watching "irreversible" i mean yeah 11 minute rape scene but i dont see how that was worse then the face impailment in the beginning, I watched it and just thought they could of done without alot of stuff. Still a good movie though... for sure better then "Boise Mai".  To answer your question of how i got all my equiptment, basically I saved up. 
I bought my xl2 from a pawn shop and my other equipment off ebay.  All the money I made from editing with WINDOWSEATpictures and Vans i spent towards purchasing my own equipment.

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The face impailment was what made me sick, that was definatelly the worst part in the film, the rape scene wasn't even that bad I thought. (Morally bad, but it didn't make me feel bad like the face smashing) I was wondering how they managed to do that, I mean, he's still talking and stuff, amazing fx.

About the equipment, damn... your job must pay a lot higher than mine...

"Why don't you shoot stuff teens (like you) wanna see--not porn."

You don't know many teenagers, do you? : )

As a 16 year old kid I'll tell you now that 16 year old kids are over looking at porn, only the sad ones do that. The rest of us get girl friends.
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#48 Matt Pacini

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 02:09 PM

It's a moral issue
...People feel that having sex is wrong...
So having sex in front of a camera is doubly wrong...
Really there alot of things wrost than being a pornstar...

I remember a college professor once saying...
"That the popularity of the porn industry
Coupled with the stigmatization of the porn industry
reveal the hypocritical side of the American society..."


It's okay for us to be voyuers and enjoy watching the videos
But it's shameful if we attempt to participate in any of those acts.

However with that said I've seen some videos that are darinly extreme...
But don't ask me why I've seen them.  :)

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Sure, but that whole argument ignores the fact that some acts that are perfectly fine in private, CAN (and perhaps should) be considered shameful if done publicly.
For instance, there's nothing immoral about having a bowel movement, but it's not quite the same thing if I videotape 90 minutes of the stuff and air it on TV or sell it to your kids, is it?

This is another of those twisted logic arguments, that assume "all other things being equal" when they're not.
I'm not saying I'm totally anti-porn, but just that this view stated above, is just as ridiculous as the view that ALL nudity is immoral, or whatever.

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#49 Richard Boddington

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 02:52 PM

"For instance, there's nothing immoral about having a bowel movement, but it's not quite the same thing if I videotape 90 minutes of the stuff and air it on TV or sell it to your kids, is it?"

My gosh Matt this will be a hot new series on FOX!!!!!

Who is your agent? The FOX programming team wants to call him/her.

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 03:30 PM

"For instance, there's nothing immoral about having a bowel movement, but it's not quite the same thing if I videotape 90 minutes of the stuff and air it on TV or sell it to your kids, is it?"

My gosh Matt this will be a hot new series on FOX!!!!!

Who is your agent?  The FOX programming team wants to call him/her.

R.

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Working title: "Tales from the Toilet". :rolleyes:
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Posted 09 May 2005 - 06:11 PM

Working title: "Tales from the Toilet".  :rolleyes:

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*** LEGAL NOTE ***
Before anyone gets any ideas on syndication I believe Troma has already marketed a similar titled production "Tales from the crapper" ;)
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#52 Jordan Brade

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Posted 11 May 2005 - 07:33 AM

As a 16 year old kid I'll tell you now that 16 year old kids are over looking at porn, only the sad ones do that. The rest of us get girl friends.


Actually the ones with girlfriends can be just as sad as the porn watchers! The ones that watch porn have no prospect of getting laid. The ones with girlfriends have gotten laid but don't get laid often enough to quench their sexual appetite. In a way, having a girlfriend would be like a starving child from Ethiopia being aloud to hold a hamburger, but not aloud to eat it. :P

I'm 17, and one of my friends told me how a several people at my school would love to pay me to make pornography of them and their girlfriends. I told him it wasn't worth it. I would lose what little respect I have, and what respect I could possibly gain.

It's one thing watching porn. It's entirely different making it.
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Posted 12 May 2005 - 12:33 PM

Sure, but that whole argument ignores the fact that some acts that are perfectly fine in private, CAN (and perhaps should) be considered shameful if done publicly.
For instance, there's nothing immoral about having a bowel movement, but it's not quite the same thing if I videotape 90 minutes of the stuff and air it on TV or sell it to your kids, is it?

This is another of those twisted logic arguments, that assume "all other things being equal" when they're not.
I'm not saying I'm totally anti-porn, but just that this view stated above, is just as ridiculous as the view that ALL nudity is immoral, or whatever.

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& this is how we get into those silly moral arguments
Where someone's feelings wind up getting hurt...
& stupidly enough I'm responding... :blink:

First of all my original argument was that the popularity of porn
And at the same time the public stigmitization of porn
Brings into questions America's moral issues
And highlights America's horrible double standard.

Porn is viewed & bought by the boatloads
& not just as some of our younger member mistakenly believe
By those who aren't getting sexually satisfied---
(that in itself prompting a whole nother discussion not cinematography based...)
A significant percentage of Americans male & female view porn
And then consider it to be immoral to participate in such activities.
If this isn't the definition of hypocrisy--then I don't know what is.

But this has been one of the basic flaws in our American society for ages...
Hawthorne showed a great example of this in the Scarlet Letter.

Anyways you're making a statement
That morality is clearly defined and universally recognized
That you can perfectly tell what is moral and what is not.
While everyone (or almost everyone) has moral values...
It much harder to define what those are.

Porn may be shameful to you but it isn't to others.
Just like it's not immoral for most of us to see a woman unveiled
Just like interracial dating is not immoral to most of us...but it is to others...

Do you get my argument?
Now...I don't see how this is twisted logic.

Personally I wouldn't actively participate in porn
But I wouldn't judge everyone working in the industry as shameless degenerates.


Okay that said let's sit & watch the flood & chaos this creates
As everyone attempts to argues their own moral stance on porn, abortion, & HD.
:) Have fun.

Edited by Rik Andino, 12 May 2005 - 12:36 PM.

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#54 Daniel J. Ashley-Smith

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Posted 12 May 2005 - 06:42 PM

The ones that watch porn have no prospect of getting laid.

No they just sit in there bedroom whilst pleasuring themselves pretending they were in the same room. (That's sad...)

The ones with girlfriends have gotten laid but don't get laid often enough to quench their sexual appetite.

Uhhh.. well... that all depends.... ;)


Only pain in the ass I find about girlfriends, well, my girlfriend anyway, is that they want to see you every day, and when I'm away filming I can?t or find it very difficult. I went to France to shoot a promo once and my god... I must have received god knows how many damn messages; it's like, just sod off for a day or two! Let me do what the hell I want for a few days! (Obviously I didn't say that... I'd be dead by now if I did, and my god I hope she doesn?t come on this web site and read that)

The worst part is that I'm going out with an actress, and it's all ok for her to go off and do productions at the theatre, but no the second I want to do something she pulls me back by a leash.

I'm 17, and one of my friends told me how a several people at my school would love to pay me to make pornography of them and their girlfriends. I told him it wasn't worth it. I would lose what little respect I have, and what respect I could possibly gain.

Uhh, well, firstly, you seriously would lose all respect. It would just feel wrong to me.
Secondly, who the f.. are these people anyway? Stay away mate.. stay away...

Edited by Daniel J. Ashley-Smith, 12 May 2005 - 06:45 PM.

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#55 Marco Leavitt

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Posted 31 May 2005 - 03:38 PM

Matt-
I gotta do a double take here. BYU?! Are you kidding me? You are truly one unusual kid.
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#56 Michael Struthers

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 07:04 PM

You can make big $$$ in porn, but the hours are long and you have to work very hard and you think a filmset is gossipy, it's times 10 on a pornset.

But they are using the new sony HDV's and are frequently on the cutting edge.
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#57 Landon D. Parks

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Posted 10 June 2005 - 05:01 PM

Hmmmmm, this has to be one of the best threads I have read on here :blink: .... I actually read through all 6 pages, unlike most threads I skip through... Here are my comments.

Porno is big, no doubt about it. It is everywhere! Every website I got to (except this one) has some kind of add for a porno film / webite. Either my directly telling me "Come look at the best porn on the net" or "Click here to win an Apple Ipod". And don't you find it very awsome that most sites say "you must be 18 to enter" and yet require to proof of it? Like anybody under age 18 that wants to see porn is gonna say "No, Im a child"...

Don't ask me how I know this.... :ph34r:

I think the porn industry is special (maybe not in a good way), you have to want to be a porn producer / director / DP... If I was a big producer and someone sent me a demo reel full of porno, I'd pass $20.00 there way and tell them to go find someone else (With the sidenote: PS: Thanks man!")

My advice, stay out! at 16 your not even legally old enough to look at porn ( :lol: year right) more less make it.

PS) One thing I found really sick is these dudes in Russia making these Child Porno Vids, calling them "ART!".... And those little "Lolita" websites out there that claim its legal because its and "Expression of ART!".... :o

Dont ask me how I know this either...
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Posted 11 June 2005 - 10:19 AM

Wow what a topic. Can anyone tell more about the bizz without the moral judgement?
I think everyone here is mature enough to make his own conclusions.

I'm just wondering, is there really something to be made out of it anymore? Do anyone really buy porn anymore when you can get everything for free?

On the other hand, I guess nobody would be making anything, if the market wasn't there. And it's the same with movies in general, too.

I guess the people who buy aren't the same people who download.
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#59 Dan Salzmann

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 07:26 AM

Isn't this a cinematography forum and more precisely the segment devoted to cinematographers?
The best-selling porn stuff looks the most amateur-I discussed this once with a porn producer.
Frankly if you want to meet "hot babes" and all that, I suggest you forget cinematography, sell all that gear get a banking degree if you're not the surfer type and buy a sports car.
Porn is just wank material. Period.
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#60 Daniel J. Ashley-Smith

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Posted 12 June 2005 - 08:35 AM

Porn is just wank material. Period.

I'd like to agree with that but there are many artists who take pictures of people naked, that stuff is considered art. For instance, Helmut Newton's work.
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