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#1 Pavan Deep

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 10:07 AM

The Wolverine Super 8 scanner is pretty cheap and basic and I'm sure the quality is pretty mediocre. I suppose to get decent scans with it one would need a better light source, a better camera and lens inside. Just wondering if anyone has tinkered with this unit.

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Posted 11 October 2018 - 01:36 PM

Check reviews on Amazon, B&H, and see actual results on youtube. There are many negative reviews on the output and on the functioning of the scanner. A major complaint is it only engages one sprocket at a time which leads to jams.


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 04:40 PM

I thought the biggest problem was compression 


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Posted 11 October 2018 - 09:16 PM

I haven't used it myself but the three main complaints were the quality of the scanned movies and breaking or jamming the film due to the one sprocket being used to advance the film instead of three sprokets used on more expensive equipment which caused people to have to rescan many times, and breakdown of the equipment. Also the warranty was only for 200 scans. One reviewer said it took more than 20 tries to scan one 3 minute piece of film. At that rate the warranty would expire after 8-10 film scans.

I thought the biggest problem was compression 


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#5 Daniel D. Teoli Jr.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:29 PM

I scanned this with a Wolverine.

 

nsfw

 

 

Too low Q for me. 

 

Plus it broke after 20 something reels. Then it ate up an important film. Once it starts to squeal, stop scanning or you risk getting your film ruined. 

 

If it was higher Q and lasted 20+ reels, then it could work even as a disposable and still be economically feasible versus paying a lot of $ to get the film scanned. 


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:47 PM

Plus scenes played too fast in some sections. I wonder if that could be slowed down in the editor to appear to be at normal speed?


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 02:28 PM

Has anyone tried to change its camera, or lens?

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Posted 17 October 2018 - 11:03 PM

The ONLY good thing about this scanner is that it's affordable. Besides that, it's not meant for any type of serious preservation. I bought this when I was offered a job to scan priceless footage of Wisconsin and I ran into many problems with it: the film wouldn't be in the same place you aligned the camera when you hit the record button, the film would get stuck in the gate so I had many five seconds to hour long scans of just one frame, the recording quality was so bad I had to apologize to the client, the scanner will not play back the footage like advertised, and the list goes on and on. Unless you're just buying this to keep some footage alive, don't buy this. 


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 07:48 AM

Has anyone tried to change its camera, or lens?

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Check here, I think I remember reading about a guy that modded it. 

 

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/

 

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Posted 19 October 2018 - 07:51 AM

The ONLY good thing about this scanner is that it's affordable. Besides that, it's not meant for any type of serious preservation. I bought this when I was offered a job to scan priceless footage of Wisconsin and I ran into many problems with it: the film wouldn't be in the same place you aligned the camera when you hit the record button, the film would get stuck in the gate so I had many five seconds to hour long scans of just one frame, the recording quality was so bad I had to apologize to the client, the scanner will not play back the footage like advertised, and the list goes on and on. Unless you're just buying this to keep some footage alive, don't buy this. 

 

BH used to have a super 8 scanner that looked like a movie projector. It was about $1200. It had good reviews, but they don't seem to sell it any longer.

 

The movie film scanner options are terrible for anyone that is on a budget. Really sad industry has not filled this niche.


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Posted 19 October 2018 - 07:55 AM

Too bad they didn't make this one in higher res. I heard they were decent scanners. 

 

https://www.ebay.com...btYZg:rk:3:pf:0

 

A lot of these film scanners seem to be made in some guys garage. I don't care about that, as long as they are affordable, reliable and produce decent scans.


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#12 Will Montgomery

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Posted 22 December 2018 - 03:56 PM

I received a Wolverine 8mm scanner as a gift. It's plugging away right now on a reel. Before even looking at the quality of the scan, what I notice is the amount of time it takes to actually scan a 50' reel. Like 1-3 seconds per frame. It advances the frame then adjusts the frame to line up properly before scanning then moving to the next frame and repeating.

 

You must have a ton of time on your hands to use this thing.

 

My goal is just to scan some reels for reference before choosing what to send out for real scans.

 

It does have a switch to handle negative film which is a positive (pun intended) but really honestly it's just for knowing what's on the film...and an 8mm viewer would be much quicker. But if you can put it in a separate room (the constant clicking will drive you crazy) and let it do it's thing then a crappy little reference scan isn't so bad.

 

The other minor plus is that it is very easy to use...


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 04:32 PM

Ok, I take all that back, It's a complete piece of crap. Initial scans looked like some kind of Monet painting with constant jitters.

 

Maybe I have a bad unit, but it's going back tomorrow...gift or not.  :angry:


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 05:24 PM

Just have it exchanged. It produces low end usable images. You may have got a bad one.

 

Yes, good for previewing / deciding on what to send out to get done. Also gives you something of a back-up if your original gets lost in the mail. You set a timer when doing reels and come back near the end. No need to sit there. Although if there is an issue and it jams, it will eat up the sprockets.


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 08:26 PM

Hi i have test Photo interruptor sensor to detect sprocket hole and then trigger camera to take a picture and it works very good i think the RetroScan universal works the same way 

 

but the camera need to have fast exposure 1/2000 or faster because the film move constantly

 

here is a movie clip when i test it i hand crank the film up to 18 fps no problem  :)

 

https://www.youtube....ruM&frags=pl,wn


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Posted 23 December 2018 - 10:17 AM

Hi i have test Photo interruptor sensor to detect sprocket hole and then trigger camera to take a picture and it works very good i think the RetroScan universal works the same way 

 

but the camera need to have fast exposure 1/2000 or faster because the film move constantly

 

here is a movie clip when i test it i hand crank the film up to 18 fps no problem  :)

 

https://www.youtube....ruM&frags=pl,wn

Looks good. That type of equipment is usually in the $5K to $10K range including the camera. Could you post a follow up video of the finished scanned video?

 

I'm wondering if anyone has tried taking a high fps (120 to 240 fps) video of a film clip projected on a screen in a dark room? It would be simple to grade the video of the film clip and slow the sequence down to real time in the editor. Instead of working with about 3,000 frames for a 3 minute reel they would have a few minutes of video with multiple segments of images for each frame that could recorded and slowed down to real time in a few minutes. If I still had my 8mm reels and projector I'd try this myself.


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Posted 23 December 2018 - 12:11 PM

Looks good. That type of equipment is usually in the $5K to $10K range including the camera. Could you post a follow up video of the finished scanned video?

 

I'm wondering if anyone has tried taking a high fps (120 to 240 fps) video of a film clip projected on a screen in a dark room? It would be simple to grade the video of the film clip and slow the sequence down to real time in the editor. Instead of working with about 3,000 frames for a 3 minute reel they would have a few minutes of video with multiple segments of images for each frame that could recorded and slowed down to real time in a few minutes. If I still had my 8mm reels and projector I'd try this myself.

 

Hi my camera can do max 20 fps here you can see my main scanner setup it does about 7fps that i use https://www.flickr.c...03/11007177505/ and i use hall sensor to trigger the camera https://www.flickr.c...03/10312776126/

and here you can see some HDR captures i have done i run the film two times low and high exposure and join them with Avisynth

https://www.youtube....HPo&frags=pl,wn

https://www.youtube....gRw&frags=pl,wn

https://www.youtube....h?v=aQd5RWj3hrA


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Posted 23 December 2018 - 02:20 PM

 

Hi my camera can do max 20 fps here you can see my main scanner setup it does about 7fps that i use https://www.flickr.c...03/11007177505/ and i use hall sensor to trigger the camera https://www.flickr.c...03/10312776126/

and here you can see some HDR captures i have done i run the film two times low and high exposure and join them with Avisynth

https://www.youtube....HPo&frags=pl,wn

https://www.youtube....gRw&frags=pl,wn

https://www.youtube....h?v=aQd5RWj3hrA

Wow. Really well done. Great results. Great memories. 


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Posted 23 December 2018 - 03:37 PM

Wow. Really well done. Great results. Great memories. 

 

Thanks :)


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