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#1 Tom Houston

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 11:01 AM

I'm looking for a small matte box for my Eclair ACL. I'd like something similar to the one shown on the Ikonskop.

http://www.image-acq...konoskopds8.jpg


Has anyone seen one that would work?

Thanks!!
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#2 Glenn Brady

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 12:45 PM

I'm reasonably certain the matte box shown with the Ikonoskop is a Chrosziel 3x3-inch. Cavision sells matte boxes that are less expensive than those offered by Chrosziel and, in my view, they're just as well made (http://www.cavision.com).

You may need 15mm rods spaced 60mm center-to-center to accommodate a matte box if you haven't got them already. American Cinematographic Systems is currently developing a rod support for the ACL - arfilm76 (at) yahoo (dot) com - that should be reasonably priced.

Edited by Glenn Brady, 29 May 2009 - 12:49 PM.

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#3 Tom Houston

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 02:12 PM

I'm reasonably certain the matte box shown with the Ikonoskop is a Chrosziel 3x3-inch. Cavision sells matte boxes that are less expensive than those offered by Chrosziel and, in my view, they're just as well made (http://www.cavision.com).

You may need 15mm rods spaced 60mm center-to-center to accommodate a matte box if you haven't got them already. American Cinematographic Systems is currently developing a rod support for the ACL - arfilm76 (at) yahoo (dot) com - that should be reasonably priced.



Glenn,

I wasn't able to find American Cinematographic Systems through a Google search...Do they only have an email presence?

R/

Tom
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#4 Glenn Brady

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 03:36 PM

Glenn,

I wasn't able to find American Cinematographic Systems through a Google search...Do they only have an email presence?

R/

Tom


Tom

I'm advised a new website is in the works, but yes, at the moment, there's only e-mail. It's basically a one-man operation. I've written an article about the ACS rod support made for Beaulieu 2008/4008 series cameras that's supposed to appear in the next issue of Super 8 Today. You'll be able to assess the quality of the product in the illustrations accompanying the article.

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Posted 29 May 2009 - 06:42 PM

Tom

It's American Cinematographic Specialties, not American Cinematographic Systems. My error.

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#6 Jason Hinkle (RIP)

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 05:09 PM

I have one of the $359 cine city matte boxes w/ rod support: http://www.thecineci...ome.php?cat=270 it works fine, however the ACL lens must not be mounted in the "standard" position because every matte box i've tried is a bit off to the side and not high enough. i was able to make it work by flipping the rod support mount upside-down, but i still have to kinda pan the camera just a tiny bit to get the lens centered in the matte box. it works but i would not really say it's ideal.

i also have an old matte box and rod support from a redrockmicro M2 (see pic). that one, again, i had to build a little riser to get the matte box up high enough and over to the right (i just fashioned the piece using the metal from a coffee can, and covered it with gaffers tape for a super-cool look :-)

i haven't had the pleasure of working with one of the really high-end matte boxes so they may have better horizontal/vertical adjustment.

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:21 PM

Tom

I'm advised a new website is in the works, but yes, at the moment, there's only e-mail. It's basically a one-man operation. I've written an article about the ACS rod support made for Beaulieu 2008/4008 series cameras that's supposed to appear in the next issue of Super 8 Today. You'll be able to assess the quality of the product in the illustrations accompanying the article.

Glenn



Would you be willing to share the pictures of the rod system?

Thanks again for the info!

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:24 PM

I have one of the $359 cine city matte boxes w/ rod support: http://www.thecineci...ome.php?cat=270 it works fine, however the ACL lens must not be mounted in the "standard" position because every matte box i've tried is a bit off to the side and not high enough. i was able to make it work by flipping the rod support mount upside-down, but i still have to kinda pan the camera just a tiny bit to get the lens centered in the matte box. it works but i would not really say it's ideal.

i also have an old matte box and rod support from a redrockmicro M2 (see pic). that one, again, i had to build a little riser to get the matte box up high enough and over to the right (i just fashioned the piece using the metal from a coffee can, and covered it with gaffers tape for a super-cool look :-)

i haven't had the pleasure of working with one of the really high-end matte boxes so they may have better horizontal/vertical adjustment.

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Jason,

Nice looking rig! What kind of lens is that?

Tom
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#9 Jason Hinkle (RIP)

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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:19 PM

Nice looking rig! What kind of lens is that?


Thanks :) It's a PL adapter from Visual Products with an Optar Illumina 8mm lens. I actually just got it this week and I'm pretty psyched to try it out.
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#10 Saul Rodgar

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 11:21 AM

The adapter looks like C-to PL. The outer mount on the ACL (TS) is a more stable choice. It must have been pricey too, but I am sure it works fine.
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#11 Glenn Brady

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Posted 31 May 2009 - 12:09 PM

Would you be willing to share the pictures of the rod system?

Thanks again for the info!

Tom


Tom,

I'd be happy to share pictures. Unfortunately, I'm 'computing challenged' and have never succeeded in posting pictures to this forum. If you'd PM me with your e-mail address, I'd be pleased to send the pictures I have of the ACS rod supports for my Beaulieu and Bolex cameras. If you search '4008 rod' at this forum, you'll find a post by Seth King of American Cinematographic Specialties showing the ACS rod support on a Beaulieu 4008 series camera.

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 05:28 PM

Tom

The American Cinematography Speciaties website has just appeared. It's http://www.americanc....com/index.html.

Glenn

Edited by Glenn Brady, 01 June 2009 - 05:30 PM.

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Posted 01 June 2009 - 05:29 PM

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Edited by Glenn Brady, 01 June 2009 - 05:31 PM.

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#14 Jason Hinkle (RIP)

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 01:09 AM

The adapter looks like C-to PL. The outer mount on the ACL (TS) is a more stable choice. It must have been pricey too, but I am sure it works fine.


yea its the c-mount version. i originally planned get one of Les Bosher's PL mounts, I have one of his Nikon mounts & it's solid as a rock. But this one came up on eBay with the lens for a good price so I snagged it. it seems like it's made out of some lightweight aluminium or something, but it actually feels really solid. I don't know if I were to put a big honkin' telephoto on there, though. my wife says that the camera is my little doll that i like to play dress-up with. sadly the analogy is apt.

Edited by Jason Hinkle, 02 June 2009 - 01:12 AM.

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#15 David Auner aac

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 03:16 AM

my wife says that the camera is my little doll that i like to play dress-up with. sadly the analogy is apt.


Hi Jason,

say thanks to your wife for the first luagh on a rather dreary day! :lol:

Cheers, Dave
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#16 lars preisser

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Posted 26 February 2018 - 08:24 AM

The adapter looks like C-to PL. The outer mount on the ACL (TS) is a more stable choice. It must have been pricey too, but I am sure it works fine.

 

also looking into c to pl adapters.... found this pretty cheap one: https://www.ebay.com...r-/252925685539


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Posted 26 August 2018 - 08:34 AM

Can somebody tell me if the ACL fits with a 4x4 or 3x3 mattebox? I found this one: http://cavision.biz/MB3485S.aspx

Seems to be of good quality and is not expensive. Also, this one seems to work without rods, which if possible, is something I really prefer since I shoot mostly with the camera handheld.


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#18 Gregg MacPherson

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Posted 26 August 2018 - 08:20 PM

Hey Willem,
Unless you have access to a lot of 3x3 filters, I would recommend going with 4x4. It's the most common, most affordable  filter size that will cover the primes and zooms that you may want.

 

The next issue, the possible matte box brands.  There are a couple of "off brand", second tier or whatever manufacturers that are worth exploring and supporting. Cavision is, almost but not quite one of them.  Petroff and Genus or Genustech come to mind.

 

Also, Chrosziel are really great designers and second hand MBs are often there on eBay, good value for money.

 

For work on a tripod the weight of the MB isn't important, so rod mounting and swing away are usefull.  Mabe a used Crosziel, or there were some interesting swing away matte boxes from the no mans land of China and India that looked interersting a year or so ago, and are affordable new.

 

The most interesting (to me) modern lightweight 4x4 design that is affordable new is probably from Petroff.  One of theirs has rod mount and or clip on.  Another on worth a look is Genus or Genustech. Also, Shoot35.


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Posted 29 August 2018 - 04:34 PM

Great, thanks for the information Gregg!


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 01:02 PM

What about the Matte Box from Les Bosher? Is it recommended?

 

 


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