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#1 Erdwolf_TVL

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 09:45 AM

I had 30 feet of colour negative film "printed" to positive by ANDEC Filmtechnik.

And honestly, it blows Ektachrome 64 out of the water for what I would like to use film for.

I will be doing 99% of my work on colour negative from this point onwards!

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The first 15 feet was shot on 500 ASA film. Inside a dark pub with a non-XL camera and some shots on a gritty tube station. The grain was average, but the results were good, considering the light that was available. The few seconds I shot in daylight with this film is almost indistinguisable from 200 ASA.

The next 15 feet was shot with 200 film in daylight with a +2 Neutral Density filter. The grain of this one is so subtle, you have to squint your eyes to see it.

The colours are very lifelike. Perhaps not as saturated as reversal, but the blacks are solid, and the whole thing oozes quality. And it's only a one-light print!

From shoot to projection, the cost is about double that of reversal.

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I wonder what kind of stock they used for this?

As far as I know there are no super 8mm print films available from Kodak. Perhaps they use cut down 16 or 35mm stock?

The film is definitely polyester based. Very difficult to cut and film cement has NO effect on it. Better get myself a tape splicer...

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Either way, a most recommended excercise!

Edited by Erdwolf_TVL, 12 November 2005 - 09:47 AM.

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#2 Larry Wilson

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:10 AM

Where did you get this done? I'd always heard that it wasn't worth anyone's while to offer print services for the negative stocks.

Can this be used for workprinting purposes so that I could actually edit on film instead of on video?
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#3 Erdwolf_TVL

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Posted 12 November 2005 - 10:20 AM

Where did you get this done? I'd always heard that it wasn't worth anyone's while to offer print services for the negative stocks.

Can this be used for workprinting purposes so that I could actually edit on film instead of on video?


The lab that did the works was "ANDEC Filmtechnik" http://www.andecfilm...art_english.htm

The Wide Screen Centre in London act as their agents in London (to my understanding).

Processing took about 10 days (from drop off to collection) and cost around 30 pounds for 100 feet.

!!! Sorry, I said feet in my previous post when I actually meant meters... !!!

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As for editing this film, I think it's more than possible, provided you have the tools to work with polyester film. Though it may be worth splicing the negative (which is acetate) and then having the finished negative printed.

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I'm by no means an expert in this regard, though, so any comments would be appreciated!

Edited by Erdwolf_TVL, 12 November 2005 - 10:21 AM.

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#4 Mathis Nitschke

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 05:14 PM

I wonder what kind of stock they used for this?

As far as I know there are no super 8mm print films available from Kodak. Perhaps they use cut down 16 or 35mm stock?


You get Kodak print stock in 8mm.

Yes, I love that service, too!
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Posted 15 November 2005 - 06:19 AM

Hi Erdwolf_TVL can you post some pics of your test?

thanks
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#6 Erdwolf_TVL

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 04:06 PM

Hi Erdwolf_TVL can you post some pics of your test?

thanks


Will do at some point.

Not very high on my priority list right now, since I've already telecined the colour negative.

Would be an interesting comparison.

I doubt whether it would look any better than the direct from neg, though.
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 07:53 AM

As far as I know there are no super 8mm print films available from Kodak. Perhaps they use cut down 16 or 35mm stock?


Actually, Kodak does offer 1 of their 16mm print stocks with DS8 perforations, so my bet is that they used this one.
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#8 Richard Tuohy

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 05:12 AM

No, its not a DS8 print stock. I asked them. They have custom ordered 35mm 4xsuper8 perf. I forget the code for designating the order of perforations but each perf is 8mm spaced from the next. if it were DS8 I would love to get some, but its not.
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#9 Matt Sandstrom

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:58 AM

is it the same that derann use to print features and cartoons by any chance? i heard that they print several copies simultaneously on 35mm and split it afterwards.

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#10 John Pytlak RIP

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 04:11 PM

Yes, Kodak color print film is available in "multirow" Super-8 formats, that are slit after printing and processing. There are formats for two rows of Super-8 on a 16mm film, and four rows of Super-8 on a 35mm film.
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