Posted 24 November 2005 - 03:04 AM
Therefore, I have to get a light and I'd only, probably be able to afford one, and I want to buy new. So far Arri have quoted me about $4000 for a pocket par (including all filters, batteries etc etc....powerful little bugger it is) ......it's a daylight light.
Guys, would one of these be enough for 1) a daytime scene 2) an evening scene 3) a night scene (not trying to make it look like day, just see their faces)
Any thoughts or recommendations?
Posted 24 November 2005 - 08:27 AM
I guess you want to shoot video ? Can you confirm that ?
If you need someone to do your lightings, I'm sure you could find a student or a young DP if you search... Did you try film and video schools ?
Usually, we rather rent. You should make sure it's worth buying. Arri in general is expensive... What power is the pocket par you are talking about ? 125, 200 or 400 W ?
If you shoot at night, indoors, a Tungsten light could be just as good, and much cheaper to buy.
indoors and outdoors are different situations. Indoor with natural light is a different situation etc.
As for lighting kits, I'm pretty sure you should find topics here. Make a research.
Posted 24 November 2005 - 09:18 AM
So you'd shoot as what? Director? Producer? Screenwriter?
This seems like yet another "i'm too lazy to do my homework about lighting and exposure technique" type of post.
What makes the concept of light any different than the type film you put in your camera, the lens and filters you shoot through, or the camera itself? You've posted lots of threads regarding the purchase of a 35mm movie camera and yet:
"I'd like to shoot a scene, but I have to say that light is not my calling in life. I want it to be...and I'd like to have a light man around, but can't."
Sounds like someone should be learning their ABC's of exposure before making a big mistake..
(unless of course you're loaded)
Posted 24 November 2005 - 10:20 AM
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Posted 25 November 2005 - 07:03 AM
People just can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.
Posted 25 November 2005 - 12:09 PM
1. I want to shoot on film and shoot also the same scenes on video to help me edit.
2. I?d rather buy lights rather than renting them so I could use them on other scenes & projects.
3. I am thinking of a daylight light rather than tungsten as most filming will be outdoors in daytime and some evening time, all close-up of 2 people talking. (I liked the fact that the Pocket Par came with everything from chargers and batteries to a very good stand, grips and filters. I remember when they demonstrated one 125 pocket par to me. Wow.
4. One scene will be at night looking up at the stars through the snow in Eastern Europe. I need to see his eyes and face. Close-up shot. There will also be a tracking shot of him holding her in the evening before the night scene. I need to see their eyes very clearly.
5. One scene will be shot in Tibet in winter (January). Two men lost in the snow desperately trying to re-locate each other whilst in fear of falling 1 km down a cliff to their deaths. Problem I have here in the Public Security bureau (P.S.B.) I don?t want to get wrapped up in beaucracy. I just want to get in quick, shoot, and out, so that?s why I want to keep my team/talent and equipment down to bare bones. That's 3 people.
6. The last scene (for now) will be in central London. Two men talking on a park bench. Filmed from behind the bench. You just hear them and see their backs. Filmed from about 10 metres away in the daytime in Summer.
7. My budget is $4K max for lights and I don?t mind buying 3 lights, if it is possible, for that price. Yes, I need to learn more about lighting before I begin. Thanks for all that you may suggest though and all you have suggested thus far..
Posted 25 November 2005 - 01:02 PM
Also, if only one source is used, your lighting may eventually become 'repetetive' even to the untrained eye(unless that's what you're aiming for). If you use several sources and mix tungsten + daylight, soft + hard, etc your images might look more assorted and interesting (or ironically, more natural and organic).
You could always hook up with a pro in your area, pay them part of the 4K and use the rest to rent lights... then your picture may look incredible. It could also be a learning experience to work closely with a professional/mentor and probably a lot less stressful than doing everything yourself. That itself would be worth at least 4k wouldn't it?
Posted 25 November 2005 - 02:33 PM
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Posted 25 November 2005 - 06:17 PM
I also recommend, in addition to renting the HMI, buying, renting, or making some multi-tube 4-foot fluorescent units and using daylight Kino tubes (Kino 55's) in them if you need more daylight-balanced lighting units. You can make the fluorescent unit if you want to, but buy the 4' Kino tubes for it. If those are too expensive, you can settle for something cheaper like Optima 50's.
Posted 27 November 2005 - 11:17 AM