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#1 3ldfilms

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 07:59 AM

Hi everyone,

My long-delayed CP-16R purchase from ebay has finally arrived with mix results.

I charged the batteries overnight and one of them appears to be virtually dead (contrary to the auction). When I place the good battery battery inside the camera, it starts to run at any speed EXCEPT 24 whether or not the red button is set to run or stop. And 24 will still NOT run when the red button is set to run.

Has anyone heard of it doing this? While I am new to 16mm cameras I'm sure this isn't right. Could it be a power issue?

The battery test indicator shows that one of the batteries has about a 75% charge (it displays this whether I push the battery test button or not) and the other reads as having no charge (though the camera starts to spin at ANY speed briefly when I put the battery in).

I'm suspecting that this "Perfect Condition" camera is anything but.

I'm really hoping that I'm just missing something or doing something stupid.

Does any one know where I can find a manual online? I tried goolgling without success.
Any help would be appreciated.

Ed
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#2 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 10:15 AM

I charged the batteries overnight and one of them appears to be virtually dead (contrary to the auction). When I place the good battery battery inside the camera, it starts to run at any speed EXCEPT 24 whether or not the red button is set to run or stop. And 24 will still NOT run when the red button is set to run.

Has anyone heard of it doing this? While I am new to 16mm cameras I'm sure this isn't right. Could it be a power issue?

The battery test indicator shows that one of the batteries has about a 75% charge (it displays this whether I push the battery test button or not) and the other reads as having no charge (though the camera starts to spin at ANY speed briefly when I put the battery in).

Does any one know where I can find a manual online? I tried goolgling without success.
Any help would be appreciated.

Ed



Sounds like your batteries need re-celled. It's only to be expected if they've not been used for some time. There are companies that replace the cells inside camera batteries. Check out Whitehouse A.V.

I've never seen a manual for a CP16R, learning these older cameras was always a word of mouth thing. The most you got was the threading diagram. The "Professional Cameraman's Handbook" has info on the CP16.
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#3 Chris Fernando

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 11:30 AM

Does any one know where I can find a manual online? I tried goolgling without success.
Any help would be appreciated.

Ed


Hey Ed,
Congrats. Try this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that works. If the link doesn't work just try a search with CP 16 + instructions and look around the related searches links. There's a guy/company selling "service manuals" on there constantly. Best of luck.
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#4 Mitch Gross

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 12:48 PM

Whitehouse AV is no longer the place to go for CP-16 cameras. Go to visualproducts.com and ask for Paul. He used to work at Whitehouse and is the CP-16 guru.
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#5 Luke Prendergast

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 03:00 PM

it starts to run at any speed EXCEPT 24 whether or not the red button is set to run or stop.

There's a 'Run' switch on the back and on the handle. Either on will run the camera.
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#6 3ldfilms

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 04:44 PM

What I mean is that the camera runs even when it is set to STOP. But when I set it to 24 it wont' run whether I push STOP or RUN

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#7 3ldfilms

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 05:41 PM

A couple more questions.

What does the red light next to the viewfinder indicate?

Any suggestions on places to get the batteries recelled?

Thanks again,

Ed
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#8 Luke Prendergast

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 05:49 PM

The light means it's running.
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#9 3ldfilms

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 05:56 PM

The light means it's running.


I really HOPE its just cause the batteries are screwed...but the red light comes on even though it's not runnning (and when it is).
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#10 Tim Carroll

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 08:50 PM

Whitehouse AV is no longer the place to go for CP-16 cameras. Go to visualproducts.com and ask for Paul. He used to work at Whitehouse and is the CP-16 guru.


Mitch,

Which Paul, I think there are three of them there now. Never seen so many Paul's working in such a small shop.

-Tim


Hey Ed,
Congrats. Try this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope that works. If the link doesn't work just try a search with CP 16 + instructions and look around the related searches links. There's a guy/company selling "service manuals" on there constantly. Best of luck.


Be very careful of that guy. Some of the manuals he auctions off are fake. The one I know for sure is a scam is his Arriflex 16S service manual, since no such manual ever existed and I talked with someone who won his auction for one, and he said it was a total crock. Bad xerox of the PDF users manual available online and nothing more. He is a real "Buyer Beware" seller.

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#11 Ian Marks

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 09:10 PM

Paul with the British accent. Super nice guy and formerly with Whitehouse AV.
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#12 Chris Keth

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 09:22 PM

A couple more questions.

What does the red light next to the viewfinder indicate?

Any suggestions on places to get the batteries recelled?

Thanks again,

Ed



The light indicates when the camera is running, but is not at sync speed. When you start the camera it should turn on, then off in about a second when the camera reaches speed.


Make sure you check both run buttons to make sure they're both turned off.
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#13 3ldfilms

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 09:47 PM

The light indicates when the camera is running, but is not at sync speed. When you start the camera it should turn on, then off in about a second when the camera reaches speed.
Make sure you check both run buttons to make sure they're both turned off.


I have tried flicking both the red run/stop button on the back as well as the button on the pistol grip and neither seems to have any affect on the cameras movements.

Is it possible that this is a result of a battery issue? Or is the camera likely screwed?

Ed
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#14 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 05:25 AM

I have tried flicking both the red run/stop button on the back as well as the button on the pistol grip and neither seems to have any affect on the cameras movements.

Is it possible that this is a result of a battery issue? Or is the camera likely screwed?

Ed


You have to check faults by removing the possible causes one at a time. At the moment you need to know if the camera runs correctly when it's supplied with power from a battery that's known to be in a good charged condition.

Another option is to take it to a good electronics workshop and let them check it with a 20V power supply. However, check that they connect it correctly, since I don't think the batteries are marked + & - on their cases (at least I can't remember if they are).

It's possible the camera may have a couple of faults, but the red light remaining on is caused by a low battery.

Another point is that to run quietly the CP16 needs regular servicing; they get noisy unless correctly lubricated.
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Posted 23 February 2006 - 07:03 AM

Just to let everybody know, I've got several different tech service manuals for the CP-16:

CP-16R Reflex OPERATION & MAINTENANCE MANUAL
TECHNICAL MANUAL j-r Zoom Control and Bracketry
TECHNICAL MANUAL cp-16;CP-16A SOUND CAMERAS and ACCESSORIES
TECHNICAL MANUAL CP-16R EXPOSURE CONTROL SYSTEM SEMI-AND FULLY AUTOMATIC
TECHNICAL MANUAL CP-16R AND CP16R/A SOUND CAMERAS
CP-16/A Crystasound recording system technical manual
Addendum to: CP-16R Reflex Operation & Maintenance Manual
CP-16 16mm sound camera technical manual

Let me know if I can be of help to anyone!
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#16 Clive Tobin

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Posted 23 February 2006 - 06:25 PM

I have tried flicking both the red run/stop button on the back as well as the button on the pistol grip and neither seems to have any affect on the cameras movements....


Seems to me the CP-16R has a flag to stop running in the viewing position. If the flag is gone or the photocell is shot, or the camera logic is messed up, it will not sense the flag and will keep running.
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#17 James Ewen

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 02:28 AM

Dear Mr Tiger,

I am looking for a straight user manual, a service manual that covers basic maintenance, right the way through to stripping the camera down to its bare bones. So I would love to see...

CP-16R Reflex OPERATION & MAINTENANCE MANUAL
TECHNICAL MANUAL CP-16R AND CP16R/A SOUND CAMERAS
Addendum to: CP-16R Reflex Operation & Maintenance Manual

If you could make these available it would be fantastic... virtually every camera seems to have online resources except the CP16R... you would be doing a great service too a number of people if you were to scan these and put them online...
Can anybody give me a quick answer on this? I have no battery for my wreck and want to rig one up to see if the camera even takes power. What is the polarity of the camera... top 'pin' a plus (+) or the (-)minus....

Thanks

Jay
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Posted 24 February 2006 - 06:37 AM

If it's not marked, just check the polarity of the good battery.
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#19 James Ewen

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Posted 24 February 2006 - 09:09 AM

Unfortunately there is no battery to check the polarity.
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#20 BJXN

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Posted 05 March 2006 - 02:43 AM

It?s been about ten years sense I used one, but if you remove the left side of the body housing, you will uncover the drive belts and the mane circuit board. As has been said, use a good battery, and you can inspect the belts wile it is running. If the belts are missing teeth, it will not hold sync.

Also, you should blow out that side, and make sure that the board has no discolored arias on it.
White house stopped dealing with the CP around 95/96 and I had to call Cinema Products to get new belts. They are still in Culver City, but I don?t know if they still have much stock.
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