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#1 Magnus Over-Rein

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 01:35 PM

Hi. I'm planning on buying a Bolex EBM 16mm camera. I am just wondering if this camera makes a lot of noise? Is it possible to record sound while filming with this camera? And also, how much is this camera worth. It's just the camera body, no lens, no batteries, no charger.
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#2 Tim Tyler

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 01:42 PM

wondering if this camera makes a lot of noise?

Yes, it does. It's not really loud, but it's loud. EBM's aren't crystal 24fps either so they're really not the best for sound recording.

The camera body alone is probably worth $1400 or a bit more, but you're better off getting a package with a made-to-fit POE zoom, a battery, and a couple of 400' mags for a few hundred dollars more.
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 01:55 PM

Yes, it does. It's not really loud, but it's loud. EBM's aren't crystal 24fps either so they're really not the best for sound recording.

The camera body alone is probably worth $1400 or a bit more, but you're better off getting a package with a made-to-fit POE zoom, a battery, and a couple of 400' mags for a few hundred dollars more.


Alright... what kind of 16mm would you recomend as a first camera that is suitable for sound recording? What about the Bolex EL 16mm camera, is it any good? Or maybe some other camera? And again, how much should I be looking at paying for a suitable camera?
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 02:25 PM

Your two low cost choices for quiet enough for sound recording cameras are the same as they have been for a very long time in 16mm.

Eclair ACL

http://cgi.ebay.com/...item=7574295323

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This one's well decked out with a super 16 conversion and brightened viewfinder ground glass, so it is on the high price end for these things. Look at about $2000 or so for one in serviced excellent condition. Drop the crappy Angenieux 12-120 and buy a few inexpensive old C-mount primes and you're going to get terrific results.

Your second perfectly decent, but less desirable, choice is:

Cinema Products CP-16r

http://i12.ebayimg.c.../c5/58/d3_1.JPG

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Designed as a low cost 16mm news camera for TV, a lot were sold. It has a belt drive for quiet operation. Just get one in good shape and should be a perfectly decent 16mm camera quiet enough for most purposes.

Frankly, the importance of crystal synch ability in this day of NLE systems from FCP and the latest editing products from Avid, Adobe and Sony for your home computer is not all that important any more if you're doing low budget short filmmaking. I wouldn't put a lot of importance on it as a pivot point as to whether you buy a camera or not.
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#5 Tim Tyler

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 05:24 PM

(Look at that towel behind the CP! Creepy.)

Don't forget to browse the '16mm Only' category in this forum. Your question has been answered many times before. Take a look at:

http://www.cinematog...?showtopic=9898
http://www.cinematog...?showtopic=9740
http://www.cinematog...?showtopic=9579
http://www.cinematog...?showtopic=9003
http://www.cinematog...?showtopic=8901

and those are just in the last few months.
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 05:49 PM

If you're shooting sync sound you want a quiet camera with crystal sync motor.

Then you edit your film instead of fixing it.

-Sam
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Posted 22 December 2005 - 05:50 PM

(Look at that towel behind the CP! Creepy.)


Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha
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#8 Magnus Over-Rein

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Posted 22 December 2005 - 06:14 PM

Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha


hehe.. yeah, that looks kind of creepy, doesn't it. Well thanks alot guys for all the answers, I'll take alook around the forum and learn some more about different cameras.
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Posted 13 January 2006 - 08:24 PM

I use the Bolex ebm for sound recording. just add a blimp and they are fine. Concerning the chrystal sync it proved not to be necessairy as the filmspeed is very well electronically regulated and I had no problem syncing using a slate. If needed (as for very long sceenes with a talking head) - crystall sync can be obtained attaching a regulator box that is available on ebay for around $100. They exist for 24 and 25 fps and also switchable An EBM can usually be purchased for around US$2000 with a mag and a poe lens. Count 3500 for one converted to super 16. The El has the reputation to be less reliable but has the advantage of single frame capability. Ask me more about these two types of cameras I use them both for my educational documentaries. What I prefer in these cameras is the sturdy bayonet mount that is certainly superieour to the screw in and C mounts in eclairs and CP if you want to use heavy zooms lenses.
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Posted 15 January 2006 - 01:03 AM

Isn't it? :) The whole picture looks like it's out of some 1970's serial killer's basement. hahhahahaha


Quite 'Shroud of Turin-esque'...

My EBM is noisy, much noiser than an Eclair ACL or NPR, but it can be workable for shorts. I wouldn't dare shoot a sync feature with it though. I'd go for an ACL or NPR.
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#11 Magnus Over-Rein

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Posted 12 April 2006 - 02:30 PM

Quite 'Shroud of Turin-esque'...

My EBM is noisy, much noiser than an Eclair ACL or NPR, but it can be workable for shorts. I wouldn't dare shoot a sync feature with it though. I'd go for an ACL or NPR.


Hi. I'm just wondering, what's the difference between a Eclair ACL and NPR? I've tried to search for it on the internet, but can't find any good pages dedicated to this camera.
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Posted 13 April 2006 - 07:47 AM

Hi. I'm just wondering, what's the difference between a Eclair ACL and NPR? I've tried to search for it on the internet, but can't find any good pages dedicated to this camera.

The Eclair NPR was the first to come out in the mid-60's. Silent camera with variable shutter, somewhat bulky and uncomfortable for shoulder work :
see : http://members.aol.com/npr16mm/

The Eclair ACL came out in the early 70's as a simpler (no variable shutter, for instance), smaller, lighter camera. Very nice too, and much better for shoulder work.
see : http://members.aol.c...r16ACL/menu.htm

And of course, do search in this forum, there are LOTS of posts on these popular cameras.

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