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#1 Sakari Suuronen

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 11:16 AM

Hi!

We're building a small studio for a local cable tv station and the available space is 7 meters x 6.,5 meters and the height is 2,6 meters. We have a really small budget, some thousand euros (exact amount is not yet confirmed). We're mostly doing talks shows, with usally some sort of musical performance. What kind of tungsten lightning would you suggest for this kind of space? We're really on a small budget, and most of the money goes to the actual work, of building the mini-studio there. We have most of our old sets which we can bring from the old one. Some lighning also, one 2000W softlight and some construction lights maybe 600w). I'm thinking of using these construction lights as a hair light by hanging them from the cealing with wires. There is also a slight possibility of getting one set of Ianiro's redheads but it can take a while. I'm thinking of buying some old lightning from a local rental house, if they have anything else than HMI. The price is one of the main factors. I'm thinking we're not needing bigger lights than maxium 1K. I've also checked out some now Arri's 650w, those are quite cheap. Maybe couple of these, and the old lights and we could start shooting, cause the last studio we had was so small that you couldn't possibly need that much of lightning. Also this project is really in a hurry, so all construction material decisions must be ready at friday, since the CO is leaving for a holiday after that...

The number of guests in the talk shows vary from 2-5, usually 2. Very simple backgrounds. Usually with three cameras. My mainn concern is the height, which is really low 2,6 meters. But then again, the guests usually sit, and the shots are also quite tight, so I'm hoping we can manage. I did some test shots and I'm thinking we can pull it off! Anyway, the new studio is going to be a huge improvement to this channel and I'm really trying to do my very best on this project.

So guys, if you have any recomendations, I'm all ears.
(If I have time this week... I can post some pictures of the room were transforming into studio.)
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#2 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 11:37 AM

Hello, and welcome to these forums.

First you should notice that signing with your real name will motivate more people to answer your post.

Also, knowing what country/city you are in might help.

I've been setting up a small studio in a "small" room like yours for educationnal purpose and also have been of the team that set up the LCI studio in Paris, in a "small room" configuration.

The real solution is "cold light", ie, fluo tubes. Not only because it will be of a cheap use (they last long and don't cost too much on the power side), but also because they won't heat. It's not only a question of room, but with traditionnal incandescent light, you need air to be renewed permanently otherwise people on the set will quickly feel very hot !

Balcar makes the best ones I know, I'm talking about ambient light. Also they give a regular soft light so it's easier to light the set, since it's small. Usually, the alternate is Fresnel for the front lights (with diffusion, gels etc.).

I'm thinking of duolite and fluxite light, basically.


http://www.balcar.co...e=33&ref=&name=

They are a bit expensive but you may be able to fing second hand or even consider buying new, they will last long.

As for effects, backlite etc. open faces such as the one you mentionned ( redheads, 650 W...) are usefull but you should also consider buying small Fresnel such as 300/500 W as well, they would be much better as soon as you want to light somebody instead of something and are very usefull.
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#3 Sakari Suuronen

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Posted 04 January 2006 - 01:21 PM

Thanks for the answer.

Today I consulted one cinematographer and he had intresting ideas and we basically changed all the blueprints of the studio... I'm not sure yet what the others think o it, but I think the new blueprints are tho most practial and cheapest.

Does anyone have any experiences about the Dexel Volcano Fresnel 650W? They are a lot cheaper than the Arri's, and I'm hoping we could have soeme of those. Also, if and when I have time, I'm trying to build a poor man's kinoflow. The cinematographer told me he once build three sets of flueresent light tubes for 5K's and combined them so it was alltogether 15K's of flueresent light! That's quite impressive. The other lights are going to be just construction lights and I also have an idea about one preticular Ikea lamp I saw the other day... We'll see.

I can post the blueprints with notes when I have time and also take some pictures of the building process.

But still, if anyone has any useful ideas witch can be executed with a really low budget please contribute.

Thanks!

Edited by Sakari S, 04 January 2006 - 01:24 PM.

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#4 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 09:33 PM

The cinematographer told me he once build three sets of flueresent light tubes for 5K's and combined them so it was alltogether 15K's of flueresent light! That's quite impressive. The other lights are going to be just construction lights and I also have an idea about one preticular Ikea lamp I saw the other day.


Yes, that is a load of light ! Sounds weird, since fluo tubes are something like 55 W each tube...

By the way, what IKEA lamp are you thinking of ? Here in France, we also have IKEA, so I may be interested... (it's sort of like Home Depot, in Sweden, for you american folks who read this thread and don't know what we're talking about... ;) )
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#5 Brian Wells

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:47 PM

Hi,

I often see Mole 2K's go for $150. They aren't worth much because they are expensive to operate and very hot compared to Kino Flo's. Kino's are also expensive because the color of white they create blends nicely with tungsten fresnel's, like the Mole's. Domestic fluorescents do not match tungsten lights, so you will have a real hard time getting them to match the work lights. One solution is to use only one type of light (tungsten or fluorescent) and white balance the cameras to match it. Otherwise, you might not like what you see. Just some random thoughts...
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:44 AM

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#7 Sakari Suuronen

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 09:22 AM

Sorry this took so long but I've been quite busy with the presidential elections here and other stuff....but back to the studio.

I bought the Ianiro Lilliput series here, with the changeable bulbs, so it can deliver 300w/650w, immidetialy I tried them and I was really pleased about the results I got when shooting on locations (I could only use two of the Ianiro's cause one of the bulb was broken...)

The Ikea lamp, don't know it's name or anything, but it has a sort of paper coating, sort of a chinese lamp. The height is about 160cm's. I know, that some gaffers and cinematographers like to use similar lamps, only smaller for really soft light. The cost for those lamps is like nothing. I think the smaller lamp is kind of like a ball, the bulb is naturally in the center, there's plastic or metallic wires and it's covered with really thin paper or something like that.

The 15K flueresents were in the roof of studio. There's a heating problem with the flueresent tube's switches (do you know what I mean?) but you can go around it by covering the switches with tin foil. Hope you understood?

Any word about the dexel products?
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:46 AM

Videssence might be a cheaper alternative to Kinos.

I wouldn't waste money on non-corrected fluoros (I'm not all that fond of corrected ones, but heat and $ are issues here as has been suggested; Kino banks do get the job done though.).



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#9 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 10:58 AM

The "IKEA" lamps you are talking about sounds like "chinese lanters" to me...

No I don't what heating problem you can have with the fluo's switches...

Not that I like fluos much my self either, but for video and in a small studio, they are just really good enough.
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Posted 11 January 2006 - 01:15 PM

I work in broadcasting and also have very small budgets, we have Videssence lighting which is good, but for cheap, Lowel lights on stands(pros and Rifa lights) if you have the money Arris are great. But if you have the budget for a light grid and controls look into the Videssence. We do a lot of different shows in our studio so areas that we use that are out of the light grid we get by using our Lowel light kits.
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#11 Sakari Suuronen

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 01:58 PM

They are very similiar to chinese lanterns, I'm definetely trying them as soon as I have time...About the switches, maybe "detinator" is a better word to describe them? Anyway, if you have so mych light as 5k or one set, the detinators tend to heat too much and it's wise to wrap them in tin foil. So I've been told.

I went to the local hardware store after work and realised there are loads of useful, really cheap stuff we can use in the studio.

I'm gonna check out the Videssence and the lowell site as well.
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#12 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 03:13 PM

I guess you are talking about the starters.. Well, I wasn't aware of that, but I would think that if the instrument is correctly built ther shouldn't be any problem... Thanks for the info, anyway...
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#13 Luke Prendergast

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Posted 11 January 2006 - 04:05 PM

I hope you don't mean 'fuse' when you say 'detonator'. Wrapping a fuse in foil is very bad.
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