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#1 Relentless Filmaker

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:05 AM

Hello I have a shoot coming up and I am on a liited budget. I may have the extra money to rent 2 cooke s4 lenses the camera I have has a set of zeiss primes. If I got the cookes I was thinking of a 25 and a 80 or something. Can I still use the zeiss 9.8 wide lens or will the shots looks really different. I guess my question is how bad is it to mix the lenses.
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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:15 AM

Hello I have a shoot coming up and I am on a liited budget. I may have the extra money to rent 2 cooke s4 lenses the camera I have has a set of zeiss primes. If I got the cookes I was thinking of a 25 and a 80 or something. Can I still use the zeiss 9.8 wide lens or will the shots looks really different. I guess my question is how bad is it to mix the lenses.


Hi,

If you are finishing with telecine or DI using different lenses is less of an issue. The 2 new S16mm S4 lenses from Cooke are very new, so I am sure this has been done before! A cut from a 9.8mm to 25 or 80mm is a big change in any case.

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#3 Max Jacoby

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:19 AM

Are you shooting in Super 16, since you are referring to a 9.8mm lens? I presume you are talking about the 9.5mm lens.

Cooke S4s are not as sharp ass Zeiss lenses, so it might be a good idea to rent 2 longer Cooke lenses to shoot close-ups. They look very nice on faces, with better contrasts than the Zeiss and their lack of sharpness is not so apparent there.
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:31 AM

Are you shooting in Super 16, since you are referring to a 9.8mm lens? I presume you are talking about the 9.5mm lens.

Cooke S4s are not as sharp ass Zeiss lenses, so it might be a good idea to rent 2 longer Cooke lenses to shoot close-ups. They look very nice on faces, with better contrasts than the Zeiss and their lack of sharpness is not so apparent there.



Hi guys sorry I didnt mention I am shooting super 35. This is a period piece so I want the softer image but I cant afford a complete set of cookes
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#5 JA Tadena

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 12:07 PM

Hello I have a shoot coming up and I am on a liited budget. I may have the extra money to rent 2 cooke s4 lenses the camera I have has a set of zeiss primes. If I got the cookes I was thinking of a 25 and a 80 or something. Can I still use the zeiss 9.8 wide lens or will the shots looks really different. I guess my question is how bad is it to mix the lenses.


I really wouldnt use a 9.8mm to cut to any s4 cooke lens unless I really need the effect of a 9.8mm distortion or a really wide "music video"(close to fisheye effect) look which the s4 cooke lenses don't give you. Besides I dont think you wanna cut from a 9.8mm to a longer lens in a scene because it would look a little abrupt in terms of "camera story telling". I think the 9.8mm creates an unrealistic wide angle compared to other lenses above 12-14mm.
Plus personally, I wouldnt mix S4 Cookes with Zeiss primes. I'd rather just NOT rent out the 2pcs of S4 lenses and probably grab a whole set of Ultra primes instead or just stick with the Regular primes if they're still too expensive.

Edited by jatadena, 12 January 2006 - 12:07 PM.

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#6 Max Jacoby

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 04:14 PM

What Zeiss lenses EXACTLY are you using? To my knowledge there is no 9.8mm Zeiss lens, there is an Ultra Prime 10mm and an 8mm and a Standard 10mm. If you are using the older Zeiss Standards, then intercutting with CookeS4s would be less of an issue.
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Posted 12 January 2006 - 08:58 PM

The only 9.8mm I know is the ancient Kinoptik, the equivalent to the 5.7mm in 16 format. This is a very old lens with tons of distortion, flaring, color shift (it is very warm), low resolution and low contrast. I wouldn't worry about matching anything to it as it also distorts the image wildly. Terry Gilliam loves this old lens.
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