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#1 claudio rietti

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 08:48 AM

the infamous opening sequence of 'saving private ryan' has some strange flares coming mostly from the bottom of the screen upwards and they dance as if they were flames. they seem to affect the highlights mostly. Could you tell me if that was done in post or with a filter? Also, the shaky handheld camera...was some of that also done in post? I just can't imagine how those shakes were all so precise in every shot. It's almost as if they attached some sort of vibrator to the lens, but that would most likely throw the focus off. How can one achieve these two effects in camera, if possible?
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#2 Shawn Murphy

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 11:37 AM

I don't personally know the answers, but I believe I found a lot of info on this question by doing a search in this forum for "Saving Private Ryan", look through the many threads that come up, some look to be specifically directed at your questions.

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#3 Stephen Williams

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 12:27 PM

the infamous opening sequence of 'saving private ryan' has some strange flares coming mostly from the bottom of the screen upwards and they dance as if they were flames. they seem to affect the highlights mostly. Could you tell me if that was done in post or with a filter? Also, the shaky handheld camera...was some of that also done in post? I just can't imagine how those shakes were all so precise in every shot. It's almost as if they attached some sort of vibrator to the lens, but that would most likely throw the focus off. How can one achieve these two effects in camera, if possible?


Hi,

The flares were created in camera by mis-timing the camera shutter, so that the shutter was partially open whilst the film was advancing.

A search will give you more details.

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#4 John Holland

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 01:18 PM

Plus all the coating was removed from the lens used so flares from anthing hot was made more apparent . john holland .
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#5 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 01:39 PM

Hi,

And yes, they had a mechanical shaker.

Film cameras are reasonably tough, but I can't say I like the idea much!

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#6 Nick Mulder

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 03:35 PM

.. and if I'm correct the really low shutter angles to make the scene strobe/flicker ?
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#7 Stephen Williams

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 04:08 PM

.. and if I'm correct the really low shutter angles to make the scene strobe/flicker ?


Hi,

The 45 degree shutter was for other scenes, giving a very sharp image.

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#8 Matt Butler

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 06:22 PM

You can see the effect occasionally on cinema screens where a poorly maintained film projectors' movement
is out of sync between the shutter closed timing and the movement pull-down.
I believe it's called *shutter- ghosting*.

cheers

Edited by matt butler, 21 January 2006 - 06:23 PM.

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#9 claudio rietti

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 08:20 AM

thanks so much for the responses. this is definitely not the kind of thing i can pull off as i am working with a fixed shutter.

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#10 Stephen Williams

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 11:48 AM

thanks so much for the responses. this is definitely not the kind of thing i can pull off as i am working with a fixed shutter.

claudio


Hi,

Whats the camera? The shutter just has to be mis-timed, on some cameras its not that much of a problem like a Mitchell or Ultracam. With modern Arri cameras its just software.

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#11 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 12:16 PM

Hi,

Even easier, it's a very easy effect to simulate in post.

Just vertically motion blur, shift up, then comp back over itself.

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