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#1 Thomas Cousin

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 07:42 AM

hello,

sometimes, reading this forum or the american cinematographer, i can't really figure out what are the equivalents here, in terms of tools.
what exactly is "tracing paper" ? is it like "silk paper" ?
another thing. i very often read about muslin or bleached muslin. but it seems that it's not (very) used here in france. does it have another name here ? is it the same diffusion material that you found on 12'x12' frame ? like "spi" or "tulle" ?
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 10:42 AM

hello,

sometimes, reading this forum or the american cinematographer, i can't really figure out what are the equivalents here, in terms of tools.
what exactly is "tracing paper" ? is it like "silk paper" ?
another thing. i very often read about muslin or bleached muslin. but it seems that it's not (very) used here in france. does it have another name here ? is it the same diffusion material that you found on 12'x12' frame ? like "spi" or "tulle" ?
thank you.

thomas


Well, not knowing French, it's hard to say what those terms mean either. "Tulle" (here) is sort of a netting like in bridal veil, so I'm guessing it's what we call a "scrim" -- not for diffusion, but to darken a light.

Tracing paper is often called "1000H paper" here (which is a vellum-like material a little thicker than real tracing paper.) Tracing paper is just a really thin partially-transparent paper used in drawing to trace over the drawing underneath the paper.

Muslin is just a type of cotton cloth, a thin plain-weave cloth used in some bedsheets and shirts.
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#3 Greg Gross

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 10:58 AM

I thought every cinematographer could speak french.
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#4 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 12:52 PM

Tracing paper is white diffusion, to me.

Muslin would be "tarlatanne", I think.
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#5 Thomas Cousin

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 01:28 PM

ok thanks,

So i understand what is "tracing paper", the same kind of diffusion material that 216,250 for example, but the kind you can buy at regular store.
and "tulle", yes , as in the USA , it's the same kind of veil as you talked about, david, here in france.

just doing a little research, i think i have the french equivalent for muslin, it is maybe called here "cotton gratté". i can find it at rental houses, for mounting on frames.i think it's that.
but contrary to north america and maybe england, i don't think this kind of material is often used here.
it seems strange to me as you seem to use a lot of this for your shooting there. and it's very useful.
maybe, just a matter of culture and taste.

and laurent, i think "tarlatanne" is quite different from muslin.

by the way, merci pour tout.

thomas
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#6 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 12 February 2006 - 05:30 PM

Yes, tracing paper (1000H paper) acts similarly to 216, except that it is paper and thus disposable and cheaper. I use paper to cover windows that I want to blow-out with light, for example.
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