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#1 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 04:51 AM

hi
i'm preparing a short on 16S int night casino.
to achieve a warm look from the practicals i was thinking of using a daylight stock. so Kodak 250D or fuji 500D.
And i'd like to saturate the colors and tight the grain.
i have few options for my test:
500D : if over exposed let's say 1 stop will be taken at 250 but i asume then the 250D straight will be less grainy but will have less density unless i take it at 125asa but i'm interior night and i asume it will shut down the practicals.
500D if pushed in 16S will be to grainy for the look i'm trying to reach? and push and rated lower will be the same density but will be more saturated.
250D if pushed 1 stop will increase saturation and grain, then rated lower 320 for exemple will decrease density compare to rated normaly (+1=500).

i hope it's not a to "foggy" situation for you. i'm looking for the best combo: asa, grain, saturation and density to film a night interior with a daylight balance stock.
What is your opinion?
i don't intend to film with practicles, i'll use them in the backgrounds talents will be lit traditionnaly.
thanks in advance
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 12:27 PM

Let's just simplify the question a little and compared Kodak 7205 250D pushed one stop but rated at 400 ASA (so you'd be about 1/3 of a stop overexposed) to Fuji 500D rated at 400 ASA but developed normally.

The Fuji stock is softer and grainier, and slightly low in contrast, but rating it at 400 ASA may get the grain closer to that of 250D pushed one-stop. However, I suspect that the pushed 250D will still actually end up being slightly finer-grained.

But with the grain being closer-matched, then the difference is that the pushed 250D Kodak will look sharper and more contrasty, and more saturated, while the F-500D will look softer and lower in contrast, and more pastel.

This is just a guess without testing, which you should do.

But you have to start out knowing that Fuji F-500D Reala is a rather soft & grainy stock, more so than the other Fuji stocks, especially compared to the new Eterna stocks.
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#3 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 01:22 PM

thanks a lot you definitly get my point
as i'm looking for strong colors and a warm look i'll go in the direction of the kodak 250D but i'm curious about the fuji 250 D to so if anyone has compared the tow stocks i'm interested?
- contrast
- colors rendering
- grain
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#4 Dan Goulder

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 02:49 PM

hi
i'm preparing a short on 16S int night casino.
to achieve a warm look from the practicals i was thinking of using a daylight stock. so Kodak 250D or fuji 500D.

Practicals typically have a color temperature in the 2600-2800K range. They're already going to look warm (reddish), even with tungsten stock. Under the conditions you describe, especially with little or no control over the lighting, you may want to reconsider your decision to use daylight stock.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 03:04 PM

i'll have a total control over the lightening only the slot machins will go reddish thanks for the info about the color temp of the machines thow
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#6 Dan Goulder

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 11:54 AM

i'll have a total control over the lightening

What are you planning to use for lighting? Is this an open casino? If you're planning on going with any wide shots of the casino, you're talking about some pretty heavy lighting requirements if you insist on daylight stock. In other words, you may be making things a lot more difficult than they need to be. If you have the opportunity and budget to run some tests prior to the actual shoot, you'd be well-advised to do so.
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Posted 06 March 2006 - 02:05 PM

I'd suggest either 7218 or 7299. Lots of latitude and flexibility with either. If you have the light, a bit of overexposure will keep the grain "tight". For minimal graininess, usually better to use a faster film, than to underexpose a slower film. In most casinos, a tungsten balance film will look more natural --- using a daylight film will tend to be too warm.
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#8 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 05:22 AM

thank you gentlemen for your warnings
i'll definitly go thru test
maybe i'm i pushing a concept to far for a drama, it's maybe more a good idea for a music video
here is the look of the casino, it's a french one not a super big las vegas one so i'm no to afraid with the amount of light to bring in as i'd like to be around 2.8
link to the casino still : http://www.partouche.com/ and go to casino section then "la roche posay"
have a good day
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