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#1 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 07:08 AM

just to inform you guys that we (french film workers) are again on strike saddly!
you to be aware: our unions represent less than 5% of the workers.
We used to have a collective fund for film workers. and it was a good protection against unumployment.
This fund was the adition of each worker contribution so those who work will save some money to protect those who aren't working and so one.
We are fighting for more than 10 years now to keep this fund.
Productions company who had also to pay for this fund organized themselve to stop paying thrue a law whith the help of the "boss syndicate".
So we are demonstrating today agains the government and the "boss syndicate"
Demonstration will start at 15pm from paris opera to "matignon" (government headquarter)
it may be tuff...
Don't beleive we are happy to demonstrate or go one strike, our prirority is to make films, our passion and our lives.
this is a sad strory and as we share a lot of things in this forum i thought we could share this also.
take care all
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#2 Jon-Hebert Barto

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:04 PM

jm delorme quote- "We used to have a collective fund for film workers. and it was a good protection against unumployment.
This fund was the adition of each worker contribution so those who work will save some money to protect those who aren't working and so one."



:blink: Wait a minute....! Are you saying that if I'm a DOP in france and can't get work then, well, the people who do get work pay into a fund from which I can support myself? Whoa!!! Ummm...
I'm going to have to get a drink. I'll be right back... :o

Ok. So does this pay better than your normal work or what? Can't you get another job(one outside of the film business) to pay the bills during "down time" ? I don't think I'm understanding this correctly, I can't be. I know in the USA there are programs that help old actors and retired film professionals get medical care and stuff like that (paid into by current stars and whatnot) but I've never heard of anything like this. At least in the states.

Does this have to do with unions ? Why march against the government? If they pay you guys not to work then, WOW! Is France a socialist state? I think it is. Most Euro countries are these days, no? I'm kind of ignorant about this stuff so no offense meant. But could someone else explain this to me...? Please? Shouldn't france be putting money into other things like the health care system? I know ours sucks to high heaven but didn't like, 5,000 people die in a heat wave a year or two ago in france? Buy some AC for all those old folks...rebuild those burnt down cities and towns. I love art and those trying to keep artist from starving but....WOW....WOW Please educate me, as I think I need it. Thanks-Jonnie
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#3 Jon-Hebert Barto

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Posted 09 March 2006 - 08:20 PM

OK. My friend is telling me that the bad guys are the production companies who pay to have the films made and this "boss syndicate" which he tells me is the government, no? So these companies are getting in bed with the government to pass a new bill basically saying that if you are an artist and can't get work in your such-n-such field then we are not going to pay you as the need does not meet with the expectation. So if there is no film work for you then you do not get money. If there is film work for you then you get a job and get paid. Right?

My question is: If these companies didn't have to pay into this fund wouldn't they put this money into other productions so there would be more work?
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#4 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 04:27 AM

hello barca
some points to get you informed.
No France isn't a socialist contry it's been a conservative president for the last 10 years (Jacques Chirac)
Yes we already have a free healthcare and the 5000 dead during summer 2003 was an other pb i can get you informed about if you are curious.
No we don't need to rebuild all the burning city's as it was only burning on cnn and cbs tv screens you may have seen some car burning thow but like in the us it's covered by insurances.

for the fund itself :
if you work in france for a us production you are not in the system you follow your system
No it's not linked to unions at all
the first year you have to work a least 507 declared hours then the next year if your work 0 days the fund will pay you a small salary calculated on what you earned the year before. If you work 15 days for productions, the fund will compensate for the other 15 days.
if you work 29 days the fund will pay you for 1 day.
If at the end of the year you have over 507 hours you are good for an other year.
Now what is a declared hour? legaly all the worked hours normal + prep+extra but in the facts production will not pay and declare prep, transport and extra they'll declare the minimum of 7,5 hours even for an 18 h day work which is illegal.
now if you make 365/7,5 you have to work 49 days per year to be in the system.2 month and a half.
if you earn 750/week the fund will pay around 500/ non working month.

if you take an other regular job you are out of the fund even for one single day of work
" Wait a minute....! Are you saying that if I'm a DOP in france and can't get work then, well, the people who do get work pay into a fund from which I can support myself? Whoa!!! Ummm..."
yes if you work first 507 hours for a french prod. and during those salarys you'll pay for the unumployed ones..!
basicly we find the system good and we want to keep it that's what the fight is about and we know perfectly that in other contrys when you don't work you don't get paid but you earn more.
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#5 Jon-Hebert Barto

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Posted 10 March 2006 - 08:22 PM

Ahh! It all makes crystal sense now. :D Thanks for your time... :)



( I thought Le Pen was conservative...)














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Edited by BARCA, 10 March 2006 - 08:27 PM.

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#6 Richard Boddington

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Posted 14 March 2006 - 09:12 PM

Ok so the unions represent less than 5% of film workers?

What do the other 95% poor buggers do, starve? I'm sure they feel so sorry for you guys.

As for France...luckily France is one of the few countries that Canada doesn't look like such a basket case country next to. The French farmers are told they are getting slightly less gov't protection to inflate the price of food, and they freak out and clog the highways with tractors!

I think even dogs and cats belong to unions in France. Dogs can go on strike and refuse to fetch slippers, cats can go on strike and lay around the house all day doing nothing.

If the French gov't gets pissed off by Green Peace they just blow up their ships, easy!

I love this part, spoken like a true Frenchman:

"No we don't need to rebuild all the burning city's as it was only burning on cnn and cbs tv screens you may have seen some car burning thow but like in the us it's covered by insurances."

English Translation:

"No we don't need to rebuild all the burning cities as all that burned down was thousands of homes in poor immigrant communities and who gives a rats ass about them? The only burning was on CNN and CBS TV screens, which are companies run by stupid Americans. But like in the US it's all covered by insurance, so those dumb people can freeze while the insurance companies write out those big checks they are so apt to do."

Vive La France!!!!!!!!!!!

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#7 Dan Salzmann

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:44 AM

One thing that might be causing some confusion is that "cité" does not mean city it means housing estate.
There weren't any cities burning. Some of the people who burnt cars were from cités.
IMHO it unfortunately all comes down to boredom.
The homeboys in isolated suburbs have the choice of watching porno DVD's like every other evening or torching a few cars. There are no youth centres so what happens?
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#8 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 17 March 2006 - 06:26 AM

Richar B. Lost in translation ?
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#9 Richard Boddington

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 12:04 AM

Just another typical day in France, ho hum......

http://www.cbc.ca/st...ests060318.html

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 06:48 PM

Huh...Its still funny to me that Chirac is the"conservative" in France. Over here (America) he would make Ted Kennedy look like a Bible thumpin' neocon......no offense intended. It makes me wonder what the "Liberals" are like over there. :blink: Oh, well, politics in general are always screwed up, I guess. ;)
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#11 Delorme Jean-Marie

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Posted 20 March 2006 - 05:18 AM

Just another typical day in France, ho hum......

http://www.cbc.ca/st...ests060318.html

R,

nice picture i like the "CPE dans ton cul" flag in the center means "CPE in your ass" yougth yougth yougth !!!
yes we were about 5000 film workers to demonstrate and in the same time it may have been over 200 000 demonstrating against CPE low a 1KM from us....
maybe next time...;)
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