shoot 18 fps, scan 18 fps
Posted 10 March 2006 - 10:07 PM
i was wondering if anyone knows a couple of films I could look at as a reference which were shot and scanned at 18 or 12 fps? I know that this technique gives a motion blur (especially if you shoot 8 or 6 fps), but I was wondering if and how much the less excessive use of this tecnique shows and what it feels like.
Posted 11 March 2006 - 12:55 AM
Posted 11 March 2006 - 01:03 AM
The motion blur you are talking about is achieved through telecine. Most professional films do not create this "blurring effect" through telecine, rather through the optical process of step-printing. They look relatively the same however the process of creating them are different. Some films that use the step printing technique are "Saving Private Ryan", "ChungKing Express", "Gangs of New York", "Gladiator". However, these might not be useful as we don't know exactly what frame rates they shot. If you are wanting to see what the various frame rate choices and frame rate transfers look like when done in telecine, I would recommend shooting tests and transfering them at the post house you plan to use for your film. Post houses will usually make you pay for the tests, but then will apply a credit to your account when you actually use them for the final product, so in essence you are getting the testing for free. I actually tested this very thing extensively. Though I was shooting the final piece in 35mm, I shot in 16mm using an Arri S. It was an easy and cheap way to see all the effects and helped me and my director narrow down to what we wanted.
I think he's talking about when your actor act's twice as slow, when you shoot 48 FPS, and the subjects in the background are moving reqular speed, and then you playback at 24, so you get people super slow motion, and the actor in real time.
Posted 11 March 2006 - 01:48 PM
My guess though is that becaue his question was about references "which were shot and scanned at 18 or 12 fps." he is wanting information regarding my first post. Though again I could be wrong. If you need any additional information or want a few things cleared up, feel free to ask more questions Charlie.
Posted 11 March 2006 - 02:08 PM
If he is in fact wanting to shoot with actors action at different frame rates within the same shot then motion-capture equipment is utilized to create that effect.
I think you mean Motion Control (MOCO)
Posted 11 March 2006 - 02:29 PM
Posted 13 March 2006 - 03:13 PM
thanks for your replies. you were right, what I am looking for is references for 18 and 12 fps. I know the effect of sstep printing (or doing it in telecine) and I even used it before but only in the extreme version of 6 fps. I also know that there is a lot of further things that can be done like actors moving faster and slower, etc. BUT I was asking for references since I am shooting something at the end of this week, it is a very short piece and there is no money and time for testing, so that I was looking for something to show my director what I mean. The shoot itself could then become the perfect test .... I don't think the effect will be very visible anyway, especially with 18 fps. But as you said, there are some films who used it, but one can never be sure what the framerate was excately. any further ideas for films?
Posted 14 March 2006 - 12:26 AM
Posted 14 March 2006 - 12:27 PM
Edited by A.Schmidt, 14 March 2006 - 12:28 PM.