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#1 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 12:55 PM

Thought I would do a series of posts from the start of production through to the final finished product. Hope you guys find this interesting. I'm only 23 so a great learning curve it has been!!!!


Ok, first post ? lets talk about the camera.

I wanted a cheap 16mm camera with a wide angle zoom lens and a budget video tap. They don't really exist - so I made my own.

I bought this k3 of eBay for £120 and fortunately it ran ok. I purchased the lens from some guy in Russia; it?s a 7.5mm ? 75mm from a Kinor 16, which is based on a Zeiss model. This lens is amazing; forget your distorted 8mm peleng! I then sent the lens to Olex from http://www.geocities...amera/index.htm who set the flange focal distance and modified to fit my bayonet k3. Olex is an extremely helpful, talented and honest man who did a fab job. I also sent the body to him as well. He continued to remove the loop formers, cleaned the ground glass, re set the flange focal distance and gave the whole thing a good polish. The matte box is made by Lee Filters. I modified the inside and also made up some custom-made lens support bars. All filters are placed at the rear of the lens. I also wanted a video tap to make tracking shots easier. A small security camera is connected to a small LCD monitor. Both items run off a special 12volt battery. The screen is only used for framing.

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Any questions - fire away

Next post will be the first day of shooting
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#2 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:22 PM

have you shot any test footage you could show? and if you don't mind me asking what was your cost for everything? anythought of getting a crystal sync if you could find one?
I just got a K-3 and basically want to use yours for a model guide. also where did you get the lens and how much? i can't stand this fricken zoom lens.
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#3 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 01:29 PM

I have just shot 1200ft on this. Looks amazing - but more on that later.

The camera cost me about £1000 to put together.

If I could find a cyrstal sync I would use it, but I used it for a music video so the sync was slightly less important.

This camera will be on ebay in a few weeks. It's sad, but I must gain back some of the 2k I spent on the video.

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#4 Max Lundberg

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 02:57 PM

Is it really 10-100mm with wide angle adapter?
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#5 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 03:06 PM

Yes it is the 10-100mm with the wide angle adaptor. I tested the camera with and without the adapter and couldn't see any difference in sharpness.

Edited by stoop, 30 March 2006 - 03:07 PM.

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#6 Robert Glenn

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 03:40 PM

wow that looks awesome.. congrats on the good work!
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#7 Will Montgomery

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 04:59 PM

The bayonette version I see... too bad that lens isn't available for the m42 mount since most people probably have that version. Good to see a decent lens is available though.
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#8 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:02 PM

Yeah, when I found out I had a bayonette k3 I was gutted. But I turned it around to my advantage
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#9 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:38 PM

Yeah, when I found out I had a bayonette k3 I was gutted. But I turned it around to my advantage


Bayonette? dam was gonna ask if i could hire the lens from you.

How much do you reckon the lens cost in total?

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#10 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:53 PM

Bayonette? dam was gonna ask if i could hire the lens from you.

How much do you reckon the lens cost in total?



Well the intial cost including modification of the lens and camera and the adjustment of the flange focal distance plus the postage of sending everything around europe was probably about £450. It was a headache but it was deff worth it. I'm putting the whole lot on ebay in a few weeks.
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Posted 30 March 2006 - 05:56 PM

Well the intial cost including modification of the lens and camera and the adjustment of the flange focal distance plus the postage of sending everything around europe was probably about £450. It was a headache but it was deff worth it. I'm putting the whole lot on ebay in a few weeks.



Is the camera regular 16? Also, can you please post any clips, when you get them back?
last question, given that the camera only take 100' daylight spools and is wind up, do you think that it was worth it all? I have a Super 16 K-3 and can only see investing in lenses.
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#12 stoop

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Posted 30 March 2006 - 06:05 PM

I will be posting up the finished video hopefully next week. It's regualr 16 - I cropped it to 16:9 during telecine. Was it worth it? For music video's I would say yes absolutely. 1200ft ran as smooth as silk - perfect registration. For anything larger scale I would say upgrade to an eclair or something.
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#13 Kirk Anderson

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 02:02 AM

What kind of system specifically did you use to make the monitor?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 07:06 AM

What kind of system specifically did you use to make the monitor?


The small camera is a security camera which has a 6mm manual focus lens. About £40 including postage from ebay. The LCD monitor is a 6" screen that usually is fiited into the back of car head rests, about £50 from ebay. Both of these run off a 12 volt rechargable battery, about £30. I can get quiet a few hours from this set up. The quality isn't amazing but is fine for framing. Hope this helps
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:03 AM

FIRST DAY OF SHOOTING

The first day started badly, I had a blow out on the motorway, front tyre at 70mph. I had to off-load all my kit onto the hard shoulder to get to the spare wheel. This delayed us by an hour.

The location was amazing. We were fiming in the cellars of this great house.

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I used a 4ft 4 bank kino flo for my key. I have never used this light before, but I was amazed with how well it worked

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You can see my handy video assist in action. It worked really well for tracking shots

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The day ran out of time, I under-estimated the amount of time it took to cart all the gear through the house and back. I didn't film all that i wanted to which was a shame, but the day ran pretty smooth. No camera jams, no fuses blown etc

A couple of screen grabs from the day. They are dv compressed.

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#16 Hal Smith

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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:21 AM

As a dedicated DIY'er, my hat is off to you. Not only does your one-off K3 seem to work great, it looks like it came out of someone's factory - totally professional in appearance. I've got some grandiose plans for my Arri II not unlike what you've accomplished - you're a great inspiration.
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Posted 03 April 2006 - 10:07 PM

As a dedicated DIY'er, my hat is off to you. Not only does your one-off K3 seem to work great, it looks like it came out of someone's factory - totally professional in appearance. I've got some grandiose plans for my Arri II not unlike what you've accomplished - you're a great inspiration.



Screen shots look pretty awesome.

WHat film did you use and what proces was it?
Looks a little cross processed, or was that a filter in Final Cut?

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#18 stoop

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 04:44 AM

Screen shots look pretty awesome.

WHat film did you use and what proces was it?
Looks a little cross processed, or was that a filter in Final Cut?



Film was KODAK VISION2 500T 7218 processed normally

The look was acheived in telecine. Added lots of green, crushed the blacks etc.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 05:01 AM

Film was KODAK VISION2 500T 7218 processed normally

The look was acheived in telecine. Added lots of green, crushed the blacks etc.

Cheers



alright mate,

you got pm!

cheers
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#20 stoop

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 02:00 PM

Day 2

The second day of shooting went ok. Exterior shots in London. I made some mistakes with not enough fill in places, and once again prob not enough cut aways. I also forgot my ND filters that day, so some shots came back over exposed.

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We also did some traking shots from the back of the car which worked very well.

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A small selection of grabs from the second day. They are dv compressed and then jpg compressed - hense the quality.

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