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#1 Thibaut de Chemellier

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 04:08 PM

Did anybody tried the super wide angle lens Kinoptik 5.7mm?
Can it matched with Zeiss T1.3 primes?
I know Kubrick used his "big brother", the 9.8mm that covers 35mm, on Shining...but whatelse about those lenses?
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#2 Ian Marks

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:50 PM

Ah, the "El Mariachi" lens. I have one and think it's great. To my eye, it seems very well corrected for distortion (straight lines remain straight), sharp, and covers Super 16. Pretty remarkable for a lens designed so long ago. It's a big hunk of glass, as you know. Some take an internal 2 x 2 inch filter; some don't. Prone to flare (no surprise).

Sorry, I don't know how well it would intercut with the Zeiss primes.
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#3 John Mastrogiacomo

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Posted 08 May 2006 - 06:14 PM

Ah, the "El Mariachi" lens. I have one and think it's great. To my eye, it seems very well corrected for distortion (straight lines remain straight), sharp, and covers Super 16. Pretty remarkable for a lens designed so long ago. It's a big hunk of glass, as you know. Some take an internal 2 x 2 inch filter; some don't. Prone to flare (no surprise).

Sorry, I don't know how well it would intercut with the Zeiss primes.


It is not as sharp as the Optar Illumina's. :(
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#4 Thibaut de Chemellier

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 02:15 AM

El Mariachi was shot with the Angenieux 5.9mm (IMDB source) and there's no internal filters...only with the Kinoptik!
Sure optar or even Arri/Zeiss Ultra 16 extra wide 6mm is sharper for sure but for a few thousand euros/bucks, what do we got...
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#5 Ian Marks

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 11:22 AM

El Mariachi was shot with the Angenieux 5.9mm (IMDB source) and there's no internal filters...only with the Kinoptik!
Sure optar or even Arri/Zeiss Ultra 16 extra wide 6mm is sharper for sure but for a few thousand euros/bucks, what do we got...


I'm not sure you can always count on IMDB for accurate technical information, but for all I know it was the Angie and not the Kinoptik. Someone told me years ago that it was the Kinoptik and I've just accepted it as true all this time.

I don't think the Angenieux covers Super 16, but I believe it can take a Series 9 filter via an adapter. The Kinoptik is bigger and has no thread for an external filter, so front filters are pretty much out.

Yeah, the Kinoptik is pretty much a bargain lens compared to Zeiss or Optar... mine was a tad over 300 bucks, versus thousands for the others.
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#6 steve hyde

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Posted 09 May 2006 - 01:56 PM

...Rodriguez calls it a Kinoptik 5.7mm on his DVD. The Angeniuex 5.9mm takes an internal filter. I can confirm this because I had one removed from mine.

Edit: I don't think the Ang 5.9 covers S16. I have not tried it. Looks great on16mm 4:3 though with very little noticable aberation. I now use series 9 filters and lens shade with it and it has become my favorite lens for Super 8.

Steve

Edited by steve hyde, 09 May 2006 - 02:01 PM.

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#7 Thibaut de Chemellier

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 02:43 PM

In S-16mm I can put a clip on with 2 filter on the Kinoptik without vignetting.
I'll make some test in both S8 and S16mm but I wanted to know if anybody had use this lens on set conditions and what's is opinion on the lens compare to modern lenses...
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#8 Olex Kalynychenko

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Posted 10 May 2006 - 03:01 PM

Hi
I recommend check Elite Optics Super 16 lenses too.

http://www.slowmotio...er16_lenses.htm

I have personal experience use of 7 mm T1.3, very good qulaity of image.
We use Arri 16SR-3, Super 16 with Elite 7 mm lens ( Arri PL ).
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Posted 14 May 2006 - 09:39 PM

I call it the "music video / dream sequence" lens. It distorts like crazy and doesn't have the best contrast, resolution or color fidelity. But it is a funky wide look, one that will never match any other lens in your set. I own one and only pull it out for special use shots. It takes 2" filters internally and it covers S-16 in the wider T-stops. The Ang. 5.9 is cleaner and better contrast but it does not cover S-16 and it does not take an internal filter.
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#10 John Mastrogiacomo

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 11:34 PM

I call it the "music video / dream sequence" lens. It distorts like crazy and doesn't have the best contrast, resolution or color fidelity. But it is a funky wide look, one that will never match any other lens in your set. I own one and only pull it out for special use shots. It takes 2" filters internally and it covers S-16 in the wider T-stops. The Ang. 5.9 is cleaner and better contrast but it does not cover S-16 and it does not take an internal filter.


You can have your lens technician set the focal distance of the Kinoptik 5.7 lens to what you want. If you do only landscapes you can set it to near infinity, if you do music videos, you can set it to 2 or 3 feet. This may give you a little more sharpness.

My tech, Stuart Rabin from Focus Optics, recommended I set mine to 10 feet for general use. :rolleyes:
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