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#1 Cole Webley

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Posted 12 May 2006 - 08:46 PM

I am looking for some feedback on the camera they used to shoot Miami Vice (the video segments). The new trailer came out yesterday and so much of it looks like video--a lot more so then the superman trailers. Does anyone know why this would be? Any thoughts? I would love to learn more about the HD cameras that are being used on these large budget films.

Looks really nice -- very M. Mann'ish.

The 35mm stuff really sticks out, looks like they may have even pushed it a stop (really grainy). Again, any thoughts? Take a look:

http://www.apple.com...rsal/miamivice/

cheers.
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#2 Max Jacoby

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 03:17 AM

It's shot on the Viper.
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#3 Adam Frisch FSF

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 04:30 AM

Just the night exteriors and low light stuff, apparently. The rest is 35mm, I've heard.
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Posted 13 May 2006 - 06:33 AM

As with Collateral the digital footage is probably inexplicably downconverted via a 1K transfer. Who can say why?
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#5 Michael Most

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 10:46 AM

Just the night exteriors and low light stuff, apparently. The rest is 35mm, I've heard.


There was very little film shot on "Miami Vice." Some, but very little.

As with Collateral the digital footage is probably inexplicably downconverted via a 1K transfer. Who can say why?


Huh? What are you talking about?
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#6 Tenolian Bell

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Posted 13 May 2006 - 03:10 PM

Superman has undoubtedly gone through extensive color grading and rotoscoping. The same as with Star Wars and Sin City. What we are seeing is not the original camera video untouched.

While Miami Vice has not gone through the same process. Michael Mann likely wants it to feel raw.
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#7 Sol Train Saihati

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 09:04 PM

Information on Michael Mann's sudden insanity.

http://www.studiodai...reers/4446.html

"Company 3 scanned and manipulated HD and film footage for Collateral at 1K resolution because it was the right aesthetic."

Personally I think the look is absolutely shocking. Why not just shoot on Digibeta and transfer to bloody VHS, save himself a couple of hundred thousand dollars? Oh dear, I may have just encouraged a slew of furious replies with that last comment...

Edited by djdumpy, 14 May 2006 - 09:07 PM.

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#8 Frank Barrera

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 09:17 PM

I spoke with one of the DITs on the job and he said about 80% of all the footage was shot on HD with a combination of Sony F950, Sony F900 and Thompson Viper. They leaned heavily on the Viper.

Yes, Mann loves HD.

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#9 Tenolian Bell

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 10:26 PM

"Company 3 scanned and manipulated HD and film footage for Collateral at 1K resolution because it was the right aesthetic."


2K is 2048x1556 there no way obtain true 2K resolution form the Viper or F900.
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#10 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 14 May 2006 - 11:07 PM

2K is 2048x1556 there no way obtain true 2K resolution form the Viper or F900.


But there's no reason to not post it in HD rez, so why use 1K? It doesn't make a lot of sense. Maybe they mean 1.9K, i.e. HD instead of 2K data, when they say "1K", who knows.

As far as the Viper (1080P HD) not being capable of 2K, it's a bit of a technicality since a "2K scan" of an Academy / standard 1.85 / anamorphic frame is only 1828 pixels across (we may scan their full aperture at 2048 across first, but all we are using picture-wise is 1828 pixels across.) So I'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks 1920 pixels across is close enough to be considered 2K.

The F900 image is 1440 pixels across on HDCAM tape, so it gets more debatable there.
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#11 Tenolian Bell

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 12:04 PM

Yes I thought about that after I posted.

Having seen Sonnenfeld from Company 3 speak about DI, I believed he was calling HD post 1K.
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#12 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 15 May 2006 - 12:46 PM

Yes I thought about that after I posted.

Having seen Sonnenfeld from Company 3 speak about DI, I believed he was calling HD post 1K.


Yes, it would make sense to post "Collateral" and "Miami Vice" all in HD if the majority of the footage is HD-origination, and "dumb down" the 35mm footage to match that, resoluton-wise. But if he's calling HD "1K", it's a bit confusing.
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#13 Keith Mottram

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 07:43 AM

My understanding with Miami Vice, was that virtually all the footage was shot with Vipers, with 35mm used for slo-mo and other 'specialist' requirements and Cinealta being used for night scenes.

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#14 Michael Most

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Posted 16 May 2006 - 08:45 AM

Yes, it would make sense to post "Collateral" and "Miami Vice" all in HD if the majority of the footage is HD-origination, and "dumb down" the 35mm footage to match that, resoluton-wise. But if he's calling HD "1K", it's a bit confusing.


Stefan often likes to make up his own definition of things and then try to convince everyone else of its validity. Kind of like someone else who often posts here.
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