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#1 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 04:06 PM

Which editing software is superior?
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#2 Tenolian Bell

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 04:28 PM

Please lets not get this started. Just pick the one you feel most comfortable with and use it.
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#3 Canney

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 04:35 PM

I say just use the format and post-setup you think you will be most comfortable with. Also depends on what type of computer you have.
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#4 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 05:05 PM

Hi,

They're not different enough that it really affects your ability to do good work. To be honest I don't think any edit software is much differentiated from any other these days. Premiere is probably slightly more effects oriented, and plays well with After Effects. Final Cut is possibly easier to integrate into a traditional online/offline cycle. But either will do either task fine - it's a very small degree.

Used to be a bigger deal, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it now.

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#5 Richard Boddington

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 05:08 PM

Guess what if you use iMovie or a multi-million dollar Hollywood edit system, a cut is a cut. Looks exactly the same on either system.

Funny that.

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#6 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 10:56 PM

Thank you guys.
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#7 Tim Carroll

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Posted 18 May 2006 - 11:22 PM

Thank you guys.


If you are editing video, I think it is six of one, half dozen of the other.

I have not used Adobe Premiere in years, back before Final Cut came with Cinema Tools. Does Premiere have a system for doing reverse telecine and producing negative cut lists like you can do with FCP/Cinema Tools. That may be an issue if you want to use the software to edit film that has been telecined, and you want to create a negative cut list to finish on film.

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#8 Lav Bodnaruk

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 03:43 AM

Adobe premier PRO 2 is pretty alright, specially when you incorporate Boris FX with it, you can really do some nice colouring with it. I am sure that Final Cut HD handles it the same, with the same 3rd party software.

I am not sure about Tims question and weather Adobe Premier can export cuts to be done on neg any other way then logging in properly, following time code and exporting EDL... i just assumed that was the way this process is done? I could be very wrong... do let me know though.

otherwise if you are cutting videos, your HD might be handled better by one then the other. Are you just going to use firewire or got capture cards? And the exporting is important too... i could never really get a good Quick Time export from Premier, and needed that to put reels on the net - if anyone knows how to make a quick time export work in premier effectively, let me know.

the point of the above posts remains, a cut is a cut. It is a matter of picking one that works on your machine and learning to use shortcuts on your keyboard so you move quick and look cool :D
actually whilst at it, get a graphics tablet and roll with that, you'll definitely score some wows
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#9 Matt Pacini

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 04:14 PM

I've never used Final Cut, but I went from Premier to Sony Vegas Video, and I love it.
I haven't comformed neg to a cut list from it though, so can't vouch for the entire workflow, but it's a powerful program, and seems to run faster with less PC horsepower than Premier as well.

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 05:07 PM

Was the original poster asking about Apple software only (Premiere's avaialbe for it, right?), or trying to decide between PC or Apple?

I'll second Vegas if you're searching for PC software. It needs a few tweaks before it's truly "professional" (that is, on par with FCP feature-wise, all the EDLs and stuff), but it's kickass.


Just be prepared to hear this a lot:

"You use what? Never heard of it. Sounds gay though."

Edited by Josh Bass, 19 May 2006 - 05:08 PM.

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#11 Tim Carroll

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 06:01 PM

I am not sure about Tims question and weather Adobe Premier can export cuts to be done on neg any other way then logging in properly, following time code and exporting EDL... i just assumed that was the way this process is done? I could be very wrong... do let me know though.


Lav,

In a nutshell, with Cinema Tools, you take the flex file from the transfer house and you enter it into the program. Then you transfer all your clips from tape into your machine, and reverse telecine everything. Cinema Tools not only keeps track of the timecode, but also the edgecode and Key code of the film so when you have your final edit, you go back through Cinema Tools and it matches your EDL back up with the edge code and key code from the film and outputs a negative cut list that is frame accurate(if all goes well and you do not screw something up along the way). So it is not an EDL, which keeps track of Time Code, it is a negative cut list that keeps track of which frame of film each cut occurs on.

I was wondering if there is something in Premiere that can do the same thing.

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#12 David Sweetman

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 07:28 PM

I think Final Cut Pro competency is likely to look a heck of a lot better on your resume than Premiere competency. No big shows, to my knowledge, are cut on premiere, it's either Final Cut or Avid, and if you know both, even better.
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#13 Lav Bodnaruk

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Posted 19 May 2006 - 11:05 PM

Thanks Tim, i understand what you mean now. I might have a bit of a search on that subject myself as i do use premier at times, although my main edit software is Avid, Xpress Pro to be preciese ;
I totaly agree on Avid looking better on your resume then anything else. I have recently commenced teaching a class and the kids are using avids... its better like this, to start them off in the pro environment;
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#14 Phil Rhodes

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 05:38 AM

Hi,

As far as I am aware there is no way to make Premiere aware of keykodes.

That said it's not rocket science to write an application to create keykode lists from flex files and punch-hole-based offline EDLs. If anyone ever feels like sending me a bunch of data I can probably knock something up... it's always been a hobby project I've fancied having a go at.
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#15 Joe Gioielli

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 06:32 PM

New used Adobe, but I'm sure it's a good program.

I use FCP and I am very happy with it. I took a class from a company called "Genius DV", silly name I know, but it was really good. About $1000.

If you are going to work "in the industy" though, I'd lean toward Avid. It's my understanding it is the most common software used.

Best regards
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#16 David Sweetman

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Posted 20 May 2006 - 07:30 PM

To any die hard anti-Avid Final Cut Pro fans, you know, the kind who say "you can not make a movie with Avid," the first question I always ask is if they like the show 24. If they are familiar with it -- which is most everyone around my school -- they will give an overwhelming response of how awesome the show is. Well, that's all the defense I need. 24? All cut on Avid, baby.
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#17 Tenolian Bell

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Posted 22 May 2006 - 08:22 PM

To any die hard anti-Avid Final Cut Pro fans, you know


I had no idea there were such people....

"you can not make a movie with Avid,"


....nor have I ever heard anyone say this...

which is most everyone around my school


.....which would answer many questions.
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#18 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 30 May 2006 - 03:36 PM

Does Final Cut Pro install on MS Windows? or is it for mac operating system only?
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Posted 31 May 2006 - 09:45 AM

It's for Mac only.

I can't speak for Avid or Premiere (although I've heard great things about all of them), but I do have first hand experience with most all of Apple's Pro apps including Final Cut Pro (excluding Shake), and I love FCP. Personally, I'm biased towards Apple's stuff, but it's for a good reason! ;)
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Posted 01 June 2006 - 10:28 AM

I definately think that Final Cut Pro experience will look a lot better on a resume than Premiere experience. I don't know how important that is to you, but I would look at it this way, They are both going to do the job just fine and FCP could lead to a lot better things.

Edited by Matt Frank, 01 June 2006 - 10:29 AM.

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