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#1 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 11:43 AM

I have upload two small clips of Pakistani movies. All Pakistani movies have this horrible '1950s'/pale look. These movies were shot in year 200x, but their look & print looks so old. Is it because of film stock or lens or the chemicals used in development? Usually Arri 2C is the camera of choice for shooting movies in Pakistan.

Your analysis will be highly appreciated.

Movie 1 - 10 second clip

Movie 2 - 10 second clip
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#2 Hal Smith

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 12:14 PM

The cinematography is great, the second clip with the actors turning with the circular dolly and the background rotating really caught my eye. What's the name of the film, the director, the DOP, etc? Any chance that there's a Region 1 (US NTSC) DVD available?
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 12:20 PM

I dont know. I randomly captured it from my computer-tv. I have some Pakistani movies, I can mail it to you. You can mail them back to me after watching.
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#4 Filip Plesha

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 04:26 PM

I have upload two small clips of Pakistani movies. All Pakistani movies have this horrible '1950s'/pale look. These movies were shot in year 200x, but their look & print looks so old. Is it because of film stock or lens or the chemicals used in development? Usually Arri 2C is the camera of choice for shooting movies in Pakistan.

Your analysis will be highly appreciated.

Movie 1 - 10 second clip

Movie 2 - 10 second clip



It does look horrible, thought the second clip looks much better to me.
My guess is this is some kind of a of the wall transfer. Either that or a really bad film chain transfer.

The first clip looks worse than anything I've seen. I've seen better cinema videotape bootlegs.
The second clip looks more like the kind of transfers we had here in 70's, thought I assume american transfers of 70's were much better.

But have you seen the prints? I bet the real film looks normal.
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#5 Michael Nash

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 04:51 PM

I couldn't get the movies to play, and I've got QT 7.1.1

How are you guys viewing it?
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#6 Filip Plesha

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:04 PM

Windows media player. It's a mpg file
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#7 Michael Nash

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:15 PM

Windows media player. It's a mpg file


QT usually plays mpg's just fine, but not this one. WMP wouldn't take it either. Thanks anyway.
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#8 Filip Plesha

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:19 PM

I think I've installed the latest media player (10.something) , maybe it has some codec included that is required for these files.
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#9 Michael Nash

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:21 PM

I think I've installed the latest media player (10.something) , maybe it has some codec included that is required for these files.


I'm also on the intel iMac, and just installed an update for QT yesterday, so I can't be certain what's going on! :(
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#10 Filip Plesha

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:42 PM

Maybe your version of the QT player doesn't support expired filmstock? :P
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#11 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 07:56 PM

It should open up in Windows Media Player 9.0 or maybe you can download divx player.

But the main question remains, why is the print quality of these films so horrible?

But have you seen the prints? I bet the real film looks normal.


No. This is just like the real film. Can you imagine that the real film being exhibited in cinema-houses is identically horrible.

I visited Lollywood (Lahore, Pakistan) in 2001 and snapped some photos. I will post them here. I think the image-chain is made up of obsolete equipment.

Edited by Nooman Naqvi, 04 June 2006 - 08:00 PM.

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#12 Nooman Naqvi

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:29 PM

Wikipedia on Lollywood

Sorry I m deviating from the main topic. I hope people do shed light on why the above two Pakistani movies have a horrible print quality. Film stock? etc.

Now the pics. Photos taken in Feb 2001.

Film projectors (which seem really old to me. I think a rod of lead had to be burned inside the projector as light source. These projectors didnt use bulbs).

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The film exhibition hall where cinemascope films were previewed.
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Dolly shot.
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Set of a brothel before film shooting
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35mm Arri 2C with a 1000ft magazine and an Angenieux 25 to 250mm zoom lens (I think)
http://www.pakistani...od-feb-2001.jpg

Edited by Nooman Naqvi, 04 June 2006 - 09:21 PM.

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#13 Filip Plesha

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:57 AM

If the prints look like that, then it's really strange.
But I've read an article once about some filmmakers in the middle east using old 5247 that has been expired for 20+ years. Maybe that's the situation in pakistan too.
And god knows what they are using for lab work, maybe they just used the same camerastock for making duplicates or something.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 12:17 PM

Those projectors are Westrex units, which were a copy of the popular Century projector in the USA. The lamps appear to be Peerless Magnarc units, which burn copper-clad carbons. One nice thing about film projection equipment is that even "old" equipment like that can give very good image quality on the screen. One place not to use old equipment is the lenses, as modern lenses have much better sharpness and contrast.
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