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#1 Matthew Buick

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:35 PM

I know many of you will have a go at me for this, but I plan to make Brickfilms.
There is a reason for this you know, it gives me a chance to have a go at lighting,
something I would just leave to nature in my live action films ( and it's fun ) .
So, are there any 16mm cameras that can stay in focus up to about 3cm from the
subject ( legoman )?
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#2 Daniel Stigler

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Posted 31 July 2006 - 09:47 PM

That depends on the lens you are putting on the camera. You will have to get a macro lens.
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Posted 01 August 2006 - 12:37 PM

Thank you, how cheap do they come.

Edited by Matthew Buick, 01 August 2006 - 12:38 PM.

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#4 Daniel Stigler

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 12:45 PM

I assume you want to buy a second hand lens. I see Kilfitt Macro Kilars on eBay for 150-200 $ every now and then.
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#5 Jamie Metzger

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 12:58 PM

Understand that it's not the camera, it's the lens.

There are a ton of Macro and Close focus lenses out there.
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#6 Dan Horstman

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 01:51 PM

You should really get some extension tubes or Macrobellows. I have a set of tubes and a macro bellows set for my K3 that cost about $50.00 on ebay. I use them with my 50mm prime lens and they work great!
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#7 Matthew Buick

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 03:25 PM

Thank you for the professional replies all, boy, I love it when people just supply an answer and don't take the mick.

Matthew Buick

Check out Brickfilms, where film is shunned and webcams are king, what morons, 16mm will blow them out of the water.
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#8 Daniel Stigler

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 05:41 PM

16mm will blow them out of the water.



Be sure to get a camera with single frame capabilities. I think the Eclair NPR does the trick, but i'm not sure.
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Posted 01 August 2006 - 07:24 PM

About once a month you'll see an ad on eBay for someone selling Bolex C mount extension tube sets. They were made specifically for macro photography shots like you are describing. Bolex H and RX cameras also support single frame advance.

What is a brickfilm?

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#10 Daniel Nemchek

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:25 AM

What is a brickfilm?


animated lego films
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 02:41 AM

Be sure to get a camera with single frame capabilities. I think the Eclair NPR does the trick, but i'm not sure.

Eclair NPR with standard motor doesn't single frame

A BolexRX would be a good option. Macro step-rings and tubes in c-mount for c-mount videocameras cost around 1 or 2$...

cheers, bernhard
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 03:31 AM

About once a month you'll see an ad on eBay for someone selling Bolex C mount extension tube sets. They were made specifically for macro photography shots like you are describing. Bolex H and RX cameras also support single frame advance.

What is a brickfilm?


The Bolex is great for animation.

However, it's a good idea to cover the camera with a lightproof bag if you're doing this sort of animation. We did some drawing in shot animation sequences and had some camera light leak fogging.
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#13 Matthew Buick

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 01:16 PM

What about the Kragnogorsk K-2, can that do single frame ?
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Posted 02 August 2006 - 03:20 PM

I know many of you will have a go at me for this, but I plan to make Brickfilms.
There is a reason for this you know, it gives me a chance to have a go at lighting,
something I would just leave to nature in my live action films ( and it's fun ) .
So, are there any 16mm cameras that can stay in focus up to about 3cm from the
subject ( legoman )?


You need set prime lens with reversal position.
The front side of lens must be set with adapter on lens mount of camera.
or you can set tandem of lenses. You take prime lens and set on reversal position before prime lens of camera.
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#15 Matthew Buick

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 04:17 PM

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 05:05 PM

Olex is saying you can turn around the lens for close macro work. Lenses usually capture images that are much farther away from the lens than the film gate is; when you shoot close macro, the subject is closer to the lens than the film gate is. In order for the lens to transmit reflected light to your film most effectively and with the least distortion, you take the lens off the camera, turn it around so that the lens mount faces away from the camera, and use a light tight extension tube to set the appropriate macro magnification.

Try it, it really works.
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#17 Matthew Buick

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Posted 02 August 2006 - 06:35 PM

Oh right, I get it now, sort of.
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#18 Bernhard Zitz

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 12:55 PM

In order for the lens to transmit reflected light to your film most effectively and with the least distortion, you take the lens off the camera, turn it around so that the lens mount faces away from the camera


so this gives better results than just adding step-rings to the lens in normal position?

What about the Kragnogorsk K-2, can that do single frame ?


yes Krasnogorsk-2 can do single frame, not sure what mount it has

Krasnogorsk-3 usually comes with m42-mount so you can get nice still-primes like the 50mm 1.4 SMC Super-Takumar...
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#19 Charles MacDonald

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 02:31 PM

Krasnogorsk-3 usually comes with m42-mount so you can get nice still-primes like the 50mm 1.4 SMC Super-Takumar...


Actually that was a SMC-Takumar. SMC is short for Super Multi-Coated. do you don't need the extra super in there. BTW the older Super Takumars are good, just be careful ithat if you get one that has turned Yellow that you have a few days to get some sunshine to bleach it back.
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#20 Bernhard Zitz

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Posted 05 August 2006 - 03:21 PM

just be careful ithat if you get one that has turned Yellow that you have a few days to get some sunshine to bleach it back.


yes, this sun-cure works amazingly good, I really love this lens, I was happy to get it clear again...


but what about turning the lens around? does this really give better results in macro? what is the exact difference?
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