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#1 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 03:39 PM

16mm seems to be the only option for what I want, what does anyone know about the Bolex H16 EL ?
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#2 Jon-Hebert Barto

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 03:57 PM

Its electric.

There are plenty of sites on the internet about BOLEX. Too many, probably!

Here is a link to get you started: http://www.bolex.ch/NEW/?p=2

Hope this helps.

Hey, wait a minute! What happened to super8, Mr. Buick? Done turned your back against the small gauge, huh?
I see how it is.... :)

-Jonnie
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 04:35 PM

I haven't turned my back on Super 8, I just lurve 16mm, any idea how mch the Bolex H16 EL costs ?
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#4 Jon-Hebert Barto

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 04:50 PM

There is one on ebay right now for $6000 U.S. dollars. No magazine, however. Pretty nice camera! This particular joe says he never used it and has no knowledge of film equiptment, so I wouldn't bother with this guy.

Keep looking on the net.

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#5 Jan Weis

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 04:57 PM

You know Matthew, maybe by checking on Ebay or google might get your question
answered a bit faster, dont you think?

Edited by ozzball, 11 August 2006 - 04:57 PM.

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#6 David Sweetman

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:09 PM

Well I'd like to once again say how much I like the Arri 16bl. Like I've said before the more I use it, the more I like it. Of course the Bolex is smaller, cheaper, etc., but the 16bl is really a very good camera. It's just heavy enough so you can go handheld while keeping the image relatively smooth. plus it's nearly bulletproof because the Germans built it. It's light enough to use with a beefy Bogen fluid-head tripod, and you can pick up a plate adapter at nearly any camera store. It's a few more bucks than the bolex, sure, but I think it's worth it.
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#7 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:16 PM

The main problem I've noticed with reflexed Bolexes (Bolexi?) is the dim postage stamp viewfinder image. But I haven't tried out all of them.
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#8 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:45 PM

(Bolexi?)


HA HA HA HA HA
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 06:44 PM

The main problem I've noticed with reflexed Bolexes (Bolexi?) is the dim postage stamp viewfinder image. But I haven't tried out all of them.



This is one the main problems for me. There are some mods to be made but I've never used 'em. Link below for enlarged and brightened bolex viewfinders. I'd love to hear from anyone who has had this done.

http://www.jkcamera.com/Super16.htm
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 07:57 PM

problem solved,and for only a few hundred bucks.

http://super16inc.com/page3.html

no more dark viewfinder problems, or at least reduced problems.
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#11 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 08:11 PM

You know Matthew, maybe by checking on Ebay or google might get your question
answered a bit faster, dont you think?


I've tried, I've tried all of this before, but I can never get a straight answer, someone might be charging
$4500, someone else $2500, and I saw a Bolex H16 EL body on eBay for $550.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 08:18 PM

problem solved,and for only a few hundred bucks.


Not really. The problem with the Bolex viewfinder is that in the best case scenario, you are still getting only a small percentage of the light entering the camera lens being transmitter to the viewfinder. Because of the beam splitter.

With Arriflex cameras, and most of the other 16mm offerings, the light bounces off a mirror shutter, so all the light entering the lens is transmitted to the viewfinder, making focusing and framing a whole lot easier.

-Tim

I've tried, I've tried all of this before, but I can never get a straight answer, someone might be charging
$4500, someone else $2500, and I saw a Bolex H16 EL body on eBay for $550.


Matthew,

Find a few Bolex EL cameras on eBay, shouldn't be hard, then bookmark the auctions. At the end of the week, when the auctions are over, go to your bookmarks and see what they sold for. That will tell you the going market rate for Bolex EL cameras.

-Tim
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 08:25 PM

problem solved,and for only a few hundred bucks.

http://super16inc.com/page3.html

no more dark viewfinder problems, or at least reduced problems.


Have you had this done yourself ?

What do you think ?

I appreciate Bernie's half for free offer but, uh - you sort of have to commit or.... :)

-Sam
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#14 Matthew Buick

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 11:44 AM

Thank you, Tim.
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 12:59 PM

The main problem I've noticed with reflexed Bolexes (Bolexi?) is the dim postage stamp viewfinder image. But I haven't tried out all of them.


Index-->indices

Matrix-->matrices

Thus:

Bolex-->Bolices

& yes, they are dim 1/80 second effective shutter speed.

---LV
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 01:32 PM

Have you had this done yourself ?

What do you think ?

I appreciate Bernie's half for free offer but, uh - you sort of have to commit or.... :)

-Sam


ok, i havent done it myself but spoke to a couple of people that have, thats how i found out about it. they said it was really great.

what do i think? i think its really great. i understand the principle to a degree and spoke to a friend who repairs cameras and he said its a 'sound idea'.in his language that means good.

i dont know what you mean about comitting to it..is say every camera out there would benefit, even modern ones because the second you close that iris down you lose light. and if this things gets more light to your eye then you are benefitting.
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 01:44 PM

[quote name='Tim Carroll' date='Aug 11 2006, 05:18 PM' post='120014']
Not really. The problem with the Bolex viewfinder is that in the best case scenario, you are still getting only a small percentage of the light entering the camera lens being transmitter to the viewfinder. Because of the beam splitter.

With Arriflex cameras, and most of the other 16mm offerings, the light bounces off a mirror shutter, so all the light entering the lens is transmitted to the viewfinder, making focusing and framing a whole lot easier.

im aware of the different forms of reflex viewing but i have to say its not as bad as people claim. ive used a super16 ebm and i have to say the viewfinder image was big and bright.the arriflex guys were amazed. i was amazed. id be more than happy to use it again. with laserbrighten i think it would really give it that snap.

as for the prism, its not a tiny percentage. 25 percent is diverted through the prism for the viewfinder. you really dont lose that much light.

if you wanna get really crazy get a pathe 16mm...talk about interesting, it uses a pellicle. i was thinking of getting one for fun and seeing if it could be super16'd since i know it can easily take a sync motor.

and buick..dont worry about the EL. they are expensive. unless you are desperate for single frame dont bother. you can always get a clockwork bolex that does singleframe and then pick up a new electric motor to spin the thing.itll be cheaper than getting an EL.
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#18 Nick Mulder

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 02:23 PM

I own an EL...

the dim view finder has never been too much of an issue expect when doing time lapse and the lens already has ND on it - more of issue is that the viewfinder is in a set position.

For shots like 'dogs eye view, looking up' you really have contort and drag yourself along the ground... or pull off the viewfinder and look directly into the periscope prism like you can with the wind-ups... thing is tho you have to have a special long and thin screwdriver to get through the 400' mag loading mount and also be careful with the LED wiring... annoying, but on the other hand not restricted to just the Bolex EL.

As for the eBay prices, you really need to look at what is added with the packages, many items although they look like standard peices are quite costly to buy as single items, they will often be listed as one line in the description and then hidden in the pics... A good example are the bayonet to c-mount adaptors, selling for ~$70 each on eBay, also there are the filter holders, batteries, chargers, 400' gear etc...

The cheap EL's have tended to be sold as 'untested' and sell for good prices in any case as they are a goldmine for spare parts...
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Posted 12 August 2006 - 05:00 PM

I guess it's subjective; I have a Rex4 with a 13X finder, I consider it "dim" compared to my Arri etc

It's not a deal breaker, otherwise I wouldn't own the camera....

(..what I meant by commit is, if Bernie O'D does half of it and you wanted to opt out... !)

I ask because I like the Bolex gg in other respects, easier to judge focus - with a wide angle lens - than many other cameras...

-Sam
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#20 Mike Rizos

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Posted 12 August 2006 - 09:48 PM

I guess it's subjective; I have a Rex4 with a 13X finder,

-Sam


This must be a conversion as the Rex 4 never had the 13X. There is considerable difference between the 13X and 10X finders, which the early Rex 5 and EBM had.
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