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#1 Matthew Buick

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Posted 07 September 2006 - 03:05 PM

I've seen a Camera called the Canon AF310XL-S, would this be a good camera to learn Cinematography on ?
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#2 Andrew Means

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Posted 07 September 2006 - 05:54 PM

I've seen a Camera called the Canon AF310XL-S, would this be a good camera to learn Cinematography on ?


If it works and it's cheap then in my book *any* camera is fine to learn cinematography on. I firmly believe that cinematography is (and indeed, most things are) best learned by doing, so to start out on a non-stellar camera (or bike/computer/sailboat/guitar/etc.) doesn't really matter, because your skills aren't going to be all that great either, and you'll at least know for sure what you want in your next camera, because you'll know what it's like without it.

The camera you've posted is autofocus, which might interest you or it might not. I've heard mixed reviews of this model. If you want to learn how to do everything manually (as you will with many of the higher end film cameras) then I'd wait for something else.

But if it's under 100 and everything works and you don't mind the AF, then great. If it's more than that, I'd hold out- you can get pretty sweet cameras for under 100 if you keep watching (and ask old relatives!).
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Posted 07 September 2006 - 11:21 PM

no, it is not a camera to exercise cinematography on.
it is an all auto auto focus camera.

Canon310 XL-S AF
Year: 83-83
Weight: 820 g
Lens: Canon zoom 1,0 / 8,5 - 25,5 mm
Auto Focusing
Auto / Manual Zoom
Frame rates: 18
Shutter degree: 217
Auto Exposure
Auto Recording Level Control
4 X AA batteries
Made in Japan



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http://www.canon.com...2_af310xls.html

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Marketed September 1982
Original Price 79,800 yen
The AF310XL-S was based on the AF310XL with sound system, and the two models were developed together. The two models shared as many mechanisms as possible. The weight of the AF310XL-S was only 820 grams, making it the lightest AF sound movie camera in the world at that time.

Both the AF 310XL and the AF310XL-S had very complicated mechanisms, which caused delays before product introduction. As a result, video camcorders and portable CVC system video recorders, considered the new generation of motion picture recording tools, were marketed earlier. These two models were expected to revitalize sales of movie cameras, but they fell short of this goal and became the last Canon movie cameras.


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#4 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 08 September 2006 - 12:53 AM

If it works and it's cheap then in my book *any* camera is fine to learn cinematography on.


I'd like to agree with that statement because it simplifies things, but any camera without manual exposure override can limit one's learning curve in the early stages.
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#5 Matthew Buick

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Posted 08 September 2006 - 05:17 PM

Oh er, I just want to learn as much as I can. I do want to make a decent DP of myself.
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#6 Matthew Buick

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 07:14 AM

It costs $129 USD.
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#7 Matthew Parnell

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 09:04 AM

I bought myself a sankyo super 8 camera some time ago for about $20 Australian (about US$12). A MOS camera, very average viewfinder and a pretty poor lens(rather contrasty), but it works well, can operate completely manual or with auto exposure. Solid camera to practice on.

You dont need to sell an arm or leg to get a fully manual super 8 camera to practice on.
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#8 Matthew Buick

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 09:56 AM

Thanks, Matt, I would like a camera with good glass, and a nice bright viewfinder would be good, budget :£80 GBP.

Does anyone know any good ones ?

Edited by Matthew Buick, 10 September 2006 - 09:57 AM.

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#9 Nate Downes

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 10:06 AM

Thanks, Matt, I would like a camera with good glass, and a nice bright viewfinder would be good, budget :£80 GBP.

Does anyone know any good ones ?


Sankyo, Chinon, even Yashica had a few good models.
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#10 Anthony Schilling

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Posted 10 September 2006 - 11:22 AM

I'd say the best Canon to learn on is the 814XL-S. It has a lot of ability to tweak and control exposure, and excellant glass with bright view finder. The 2 key elements: exposure and focus. plus it's a great camera that can cover many bases down the road.
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Posted 10 September 2006 - 12:06 PM

I'd like to agree with that statement because it simplifies things, but any camera without manual exposure override can limit one's learning curve in the early stages.



Yeah- if you're shooting on a completely automatic camera then you're definitely missing out on some key aspects of cinematography- especially the ability to make mistakes and learn from them!

Edited by Andrew Means, 10 September 2006 - 12:10 PM.

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#12 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 01:04 PM

The thing is, I only have $160 USD tops to spend.
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#13 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 September 2006 - 01:24 PM

What about the Beaulieu 1028 XL60, or 1068 XLS ?
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Posted 12 September 2006 - 05:21 AM

What about the Beaulieu 1028 XL60, or 1068 XLS ?


I suggest the Canon 518 SV
one of many cheap and good cameras to learn on.
18 and 24fps (and maybe slow mo don't remember)
manual and auto exposure
decent canon zoom lens.
and cheap often available on ebay for less than $30.

what more could you want? (other than a leicina/beaulieu/canon 1014xls etc).

If I was starting out with super 8 (knowing what I know now) this is the camera I'd buy.
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#15 Matthew Buick

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Posted 12 September 2006 - 02:05 PM

I also need to shoot Sound-Sync movies.
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Posted 12 September 2006 - 02:43 PM

I also need to shoot Sound-Sync movies.


Then why are you looking at super 8? Most super 8 cameras are too loud to shoot dialog, and then only a few can be modified to crystal sync. And I belive all of those cameras are well above you price range.
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#17 Matthew Buick

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Posted 12 September 2006 - 04:03 PM

There are loads of quiet cameras, and I don't see Crystal Sync as neccesary at my current stage of expertise, or rather, lack of them, I just want a straightforward Super 8 Camera that I can learn on, and shoot movies with my friends on, for I am a teenager, not an ASC chap.

P.S I saw a Nizo 1048 for $144.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 02:52 PM

Look at this.

http://www.retrothin...lex_spring.html

It says Zenit manufactured Super 8 Cameras until 1992.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 06:37 PM

Look at this.

http://www.retrothin...lex_spring.html

It says Zenit manufactured Super 8 Cameras until 1992.


The Zenit/Quartz/Kinoflex that I owned was not quiet like the nizos, but it was quite a nice camera and cheap too.

Instead of drooling over all the potential cameras out there you could own, why don't you just get a camera and shoot some film and then you'll have a better idea of which features and therefore which camera would be ideal for you.

This first camera doesn't have to be a piece of crap either, there are plenty of super 8 cameras in the sub US$50 price bracket worth owning, the canon I mentioned earlier being one, some would say the kinoflex/zenit is another, but there are heaps out there with more than enough features to get started on.
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Posted 16 September 2006 - 11:32 PM

There are loads of quiet cameras, and I don't see Crystal Sync as neccesary at my current stage of expertise, or rather, lack of them, I just want a straightforward Super 8 Camera that I can learn on, and shoot movies with my friends on, for I am a teenager, not an ASC chap.

P.S I saw a Nizo 1048 for $144.


You may want to consider basic options like frame rate: many of the cheaper cameras shoot at 18fps, you may want one with the standard 24fps for a better movie look. ASA reading: again many of the cheaper cameras can only meter 40/160 ASA, but many others will read a lot more. Manual exposure: an important feature for learning and better film making.
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