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#1 Patrizio De Sica

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 02:01 AM

If I will have a reservation now when will it be in my hands?
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#2 Greg Lowry

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 04:09 AM

If I will have a reservation now when will it be in my hands?


RED is not promising a firm delivery date yet. They are targeting Q2 of 2007 for the first production units, but that's just a target at this point. Your delivery will also be subject to your place in the queue.
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#3 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 04:10 AM

If I will have a reservation now when will it be in my hands?


I wouldnt get my hopes up of having it in your hands.
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#4 Greg Lowry

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 04:26 AM

I wouldnt get my hopes up of having it in your hands.


I'm no RED shill, but I wouldn't bet against them.
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#5 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:18 AM

I'm no RED shill, but I wouldn't bet against them.


Greg,

I would bet that the chip won't be able to handle 15 stops over Key!. The best I have seen with my own eyed on a Video camera is + 5 with the Thopmson Viper.

I heard the 15 stop claim before I saw the footage, that may account for some of my dissapointment.

Stephen
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#6 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 02:47 PM

Stephen,

We officially claim >66db. That's it. Some who left the theater (and some in Hollywood) said 12-15 stops, which we have not measured. You saw the footage. What was your assessment of the Porsche shot? I assume you saw the footage at IBC.

We will post that shot next week (only debayered .tiff) so everyone can take a swing at their opinion of the dynamic range. But I'd love to hear your opinion before we post it. You get to be the expert for a week. And your opinion will be scrutinized when the image is released.

Jim

Edited by Jim Jannard, 13 September 2006 - 02:50 PM.

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#7 Greg Lowry

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 02:47 PM

Greg,

I would bet that the chip won't be able to handle 15 stops over Key!. The best I have seen with my own eyed on a Video camera is + 5 with the Thopmson Viper.

I heard the 15 stop claim before I saw the footage, that may account for some of my dissapointment.

Stephen


Stephen,

I won't take THAT particular bet, but the camera doesn't have to perform to that spec to be a useful tool.

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#8 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 03:20 PM

I wouldnt get my hopes up of having it in your hands.


What the hell are you talking about?

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#9 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 03:23 PM

Stephen,

We officially claim >66db. That's it. Some who left the theater (and some in Hollywood) said 12-15 stops, which we have not measured. You saw the footage. What was your assessment of the Porsche shot? I assume you saw the footage at IBC.

We will post that shot next week (only debayered .tiff) so everyone can take a swing at their opinion of the dynamic range. But I'd love to hear your opinion before we post it. You get to be the expert for a week. And your opinion will be scrutinized when the image is released.

Jim


Hi Jim,

I wasn't on the set with a spot meter so it's impossible for me to say! I am more interested in testing and reaching the correct answer!

I would like to see a grey scale exposed from +8 stops to -8 stops in 1 stop intervals. Happy to fly over and do the tests myself if you want!

If your sensor is +/- 6 stops, then it's better than the Viper. It may or may not be.

How does showing a debayered .till help to establish how many stops the chip can handle?

Stephen
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#10 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 03:27 PM

"I heard the 15 stop claim before I saw the footage, that may account for some of my dissapointment."

Sounds like you were disappointed with the footage. That means you saw it. That means you were at IBC. That means you had an opinion of it relative to the Porsche shot. We all want to hear what your opinion was.

Those that had an opinion did see the Porsche shot.

Jim

Edited by Jim Jannard, 13 September 2006 - 03:28 PM.

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#11 David Sweetman

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 04:21 PM

I wouldnt get my hopes up of having it in your hands.

So, y'know, it's gonna suck when RED comes out and instead of Mr. Jannard posting on the forum, "hey thanks for the support, the feedback, it really helped us reach our goal" he posts, "Eff you guys, look, we did it, and furthermore, you guys suck at predicting things." Anyway, even if you think the camera never will come out, it makes no sense to broadcast that opinion.
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#12 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 04:58 PM

"I heard the 15 stop claim before I saw the footage, that may account for some of my dissapointment."

Sounds like you were disappointed with the footage. That means you saw it. That means you were at IBC. That means you had an opinion of it relative to the Porsche shot. We all want to hear what your opinion was.

Those that had an opinion did see the Porsche shot.

Jim


Hi Jim,

We met and exchanged business cards, you know I was as IBC! I also exchanged business cards with Graeme in the theatre.

I saw the Porsche but was unable to confirm that your sensor has any more dynamic range than other sensors available today.

When can I have a Red Camera to test?

Stephen
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#13 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:13 PM

Stephen. I am sorry. I don't remember all the people I met at IBC by name. But you are stating things that seem derogatory to the RED program whether you mean to or not. The dynamic range will be confirmed as soon as we get back home and do more testing. If you are unwilling to take a stab at what you saw in the Porsche shot... that's OK. We'll post it to show the tremendous lattitude of our sensor. To include a 4k Arri light IN the shot was pretty brave IMHO. The way our sensor handled it was applauded by all. Including many who have major film credits. At the end of the day, you can look at numbers (which we have quoted as >66 db) or you can look at the footage.

Jim
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#14 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:19 PM

Stephen. I am sorry. I don't remember all the people I met at IBC by name. But you are stating things that seem derogatory to the RED program whether you mean to or not. The dynamic range will be confirmed as soon as we get back home and do more testing. If you are unwilling to take a stab at what you saw in the Porsche shot... that's OK. We'll post it to show the tremendous lattitude of our sensor. To include a 4k Arri light IN the shot was pretty brave IMHO. The way our sensor handled it was applauded by all. Including many who have major film credits. At the end of the day, you can look at numbers (which we have quoted as >66 db) or you can look at the footage.

Jim


Jim,

I am in no way being derogatory, when can we do a test and get an answer?

What was the range of the projector?

Stephen
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#15 David Sweetman

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:19 PM

>66 db

Sorry, but for the rest of us, can someone explain what >66 db means? I know it deals with dynamic range...and to put it in context, what is, say the Viper's db?
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#16 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:29 PM

The obvious answer is "better", but give us a week to do some real testing and meaningful results.

Jim
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:33 PM

The obvious answer is "better", but give us a week to do some real testing and meaningful results.

Jim


Jim,

Which sensor are you talking about? I am confused if that is an answer to David's question.

Stephen
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#18 Jim Jannard

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:42 PM

Stephen... yes, the answer to David's question. I wish you would answer the questions I ask as directly as I answer the ones you ask.

Jim
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#19 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:49 PM

Stephen... yes, the answer to David's question. I wish you would answer the questions I ask as directly as I answer the ones you ask.

Jim


Jim,

My Opinion on the Porsche shot: I could not tell if the sensor had 15 stops of latitude. FWIW I prefered the Cigar shot.

When can I test a camera?

Stephen
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#20 Tim Terner

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 05:50 PM

"When can I have a Red Camera to test?"

Stephen


It seems slightly ludicrous that you continually ask to test a camera that the developers are still tweaking with
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