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#1 Ole Dost

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 05:00 PM

Dear all,
I just won an Auricon CM 72 on Ebay.... ar, without knowing what that really is. O.k., it´s a 16mm Cam, and that´s why I bought it, but I don´t know anything about it´s reputation, what kind of Mags to use, lens mount, finder-system...
Any information is wellcome!
OLe
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#2 Mike Rizos

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Posted 01 October 2006 - 07:43 PM

How' bout a link to the action so we can see which dinosaur you bought ;)
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#3 Ian Marks

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 01:27 PM

Dear all,
I just won an Auricon CM 72 on Ebay.... ar, without knowing what that really is. O.k., it´s a 16mm Cam, and that´s why I bought it, but I don´t know anything about it´s reputation, what kind of Mags to use, lens mount, finder-system...
Any information is wellcome!
OLe


If memory serves, this was the model that accepted only 100-foot internal loads and recorded magnetic sound on striped film (no longer available, but you can use regular 16mm film). Designed for TV news interviews (the 100' load was just about right for a quicky interview) and such. This same model was often modified by chopping off the top and fitting a plate to accept 400 foot Mitchell magazines (hence the term "chop top Auricon"). The camera was a non-reflex model accepting C-mount lenses. Typically used with a Pan-Cinor or Angenieux zoom lens with a built-in reflex finder. Has a transport mechanism that is somewhat tricky to thread. This same mechanism formed the basis for the later Cinema Products ("Blair Witch Project") and Frezzolini cameras. Extremely rugged and reliable, although an older camera may need lubrication or new belts.
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#4 Marty Hamrick

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 02:28 PM

Is this it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
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#5 Ole Dost

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 05:54 PM

Is this it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem



Thank you for the informations about the camera and thank you for the link to the offered manual on EBay -both was a graet help!
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#6 Ole Dost

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 10:19 AM

Thank you for the informations about the camera and thank you for the link to the offered manual on EBay -both was a graet help!
OLe


There´s a foto that shows the Ebay item I won. The item number is 330032778092 . It looks as there´s something missing. Is the Mag included? If not: Where can I get one?
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Ole
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#7 Marty Hamrick

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 09:03 AM

There´s a foto that shows the Ebay item I won. The item number is 330032778092 . It looks as there´s something missing. Is the Mag included? If not: Where can I get one?
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I've never seen one with only one side of the magazine on top like that.I'm guessing that it's a 100 foot only model and that the other half of the mag is inside the camera.There's a handle on the side where the other half of the mag should be,soI'm guessing that it's complete.There's no lens there,most folks using Auricons used zoom lenses with a dog leg viewfinder.Pan Cinor and Angeniuex both made such.I'm sure they can be found on ebay fairly cheaply.
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#8 John Holland

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 10:46 AM

this very old Auricon , takes ONLY 100 daylight load spools , and had a optical sound recording system . good luck . John holland ,London .
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#9 Leo Anthony Vale

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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:54 AM

I've never seen one with only one side of the magazine on top like that.I'm guessing that it's a 100 foot only model and that the other half of the mag is inside the camera.There's a handle on the side where the other half of the mag should be,soI'm guessing that it's complete.There's no lens there,most folks using Auricons used zoom lenses with a dog leg viewfinder.Pan Cinor and Angeniuex both made such.I'm sure they can be found on ebay fairly cheaply.


One can easily see where the magazine mounts.
That housing is too narrow to narrow to hold 16mm. Since there's a pulley for the magazine take up on it, it probably houses a flywheel.

also note that it has a heftier motor attached.
The AC motors on these models were not sync and were meant to piull only 100'.
Adding a new motor was part of the conversion process.

This is most probably an AC motor.
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#10 Ole Dost

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:42 PM

One can easily see where the magazine mounts.
That housing is too narrow to narrow to hold 16mm. Since there's a pulley for the magazine take up on it, it probably houses a flywheel.

also note that it has a heftier motor attached.
The AC motors on these models were not sync and were meant to piull only 100'.
Adding a new motor was part of the conversion process.

This is most probably an AC motor.



Thank you for all the helpful information. I´m curious whart will arrive when the parcel with this camera has crossed the ocean. And I hope I´ll get all missing parts as the Mags. It seems to me as Auricon cameras have never been very common in Europe as most Auricon-sellers on EBay are based in the U.S. ...
John -as you mean the camera has been converted to take bigger Mags -do you think it takes Mtchell-Mags?
Best regards,
Ole



Thank you for all the helpful information. I´m curious whart will arrive when the parcel with this camera has crossed the ocean. And I hope I´ll get all missing parts as the Mags. It seems to me as Auricon cameras have never been very common in Europe as most Auricon-sellers on EBay are based in the U.S. ...
Leo -as you mean the camera has been converted to take bigger Mags -do you think it takes Mtchell-Mags?
Best regards,
Ole



Thank you for all the helpful information. I´m curious whart will arrive when the parcel with this camera has crossed the ocean. And I hope I´ll get all missing parts as the Mags. It seems to me as Auricon cameras have never been very common in Europe as most Auricon-sellers on EBay are based in the U.S. ...
John -as you mean the camera has been converted to take bigger Mags -do you think it takes Mtchell-Mags?
Best regards,
Ole



Sorry, Leo -it was you who wrote about a conversion of the Auricon...
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#11 Leo Anthony Vale

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:50 PM

Thank you for all the helpful information. I´m curious whart will arrive when the parcel with this camera has crossed the ocean. And I hope I´ll get all missing parts as the Mags. It seems to me as Auricon cameras have never been very common in Europe as most Auricon-sellers on EBay are based in the U.S. ...
John -as you mean the camera has been converted to take bigger Mags -do you think it takes Mtchell-Mags?
Best regards,
Ole
Sorry, Leo -it was you who wrote about a conversion of the Auricon...


Yes, the conversions take Mitchell mags. The bigger models the 600 and 1200 take their own mags.

I didn't realize tou were in Europe. The AC motor is most likely 60 cycle.
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Posted 07 October 2006 - 02:41 PM

I have an Auricon "chop top" conversion (by Sollen? or Yollen?) that has some similarities to yours. But lots of shops were doing conversions of Auricons in the 60's, and it's hard to guess what your camera's peculiarities will show until you open it up and look around. Mine appears to be a "Cine-Voice" conversion, it has a 120V synchronous 60 Hz AC Baldor motor, which allows for sync shooting. Its "chop top" is laid out differently than yours - mine takes a Mitchell mag, but the mounting is non standard - the Mitchell mag itself was modified to fit the camera(?). Although yours clearly takes some sort of magazine, I don't think that's a Mitchell mount, though you may be able to modify it to fit a Mitchell mag. I hope you're ready and willing to open it up to see how it works. The lens mount is a standard "C" mount, so find a dog-leg Pan Cinor or Angenieux zoom lens for an appropriate match.

Other than some persistent light leaks my Auricon works fine and with its Pan Cinor 17-85mm lens takes remarkably good images. It's not as sophisticated as a CP-16R, but it works.

Edited by Robert Hughes, 07 October 2006 - 02:44 PM.

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#13 Ole Dost

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Posted 08 October 2006 - 04:19 AM

I have an Auricon "chop top" conversion (by Sollen? or Yollen?) that has some similarities to yours. But lots of shops were doing conversions of Auricons in the 60's, and it's hard to guess what your camera's peculiarities will show until you open it up and look around. Mine appears to be a "Cine-Voice" conversion, it has a 120V synchronous 60 Hz AC Baldor motor, which allows for sync shooting. Its "chop top" is laid out differently than yours - mine takes a Mitchell mag, but the mounting is non standard - the Mitchell mag itself was modified to fit the camera(?). Although yours clearly takes some sort of magazine, I don't think that's a Mitchell mount, though you may be able to modify it to fit a Mitchell mag. I hope you're ready and willing to open it up to see how it works. The lens mount is a standard "C" mount, so find a dog-leg Pan Cinor or Angenieux zoom lens for an appropriate match.

Other than some persistent light leaks my Auricon works fine and with its Pan Cinor 17-85mm lens takes remarkably good images. It's not as sophisticated as a CP-16R, but it works.


Thank you, Robert for these informations and the encouragement. It´s good to know about the c-mount... Do you think it will take an extra motor for the Mag? Anyway -I´m curious to open it. But I will have to wait some weeks until it arrives in my hands, because airmail seemed to be too expensive for me. And shipping by ship takes some time..
Best regards,
Ole
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#14 Roger Haney

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 02:08 AM

Dear all,
I just won an Auricon CM 72 on Ebay.... ar, without knowing what that really is. O.k., it´s a 16mm Cam, and that´s why I bought it, but I don´t know anything about it´s reputation, what kind of Mags to use, lens mount, finder-system...
Any information is wellcome!
OLe

Ole,
This camera is a sound-on-film camera. They can be capable of recording optical or magnetic sound on film; with a mag or optical record head; or both; in the camera.(Magstriped film is no longer available). In order to record optical sound with this camera; you need to have an optical sound recorder; called a Galvanometer; in the camera. The galvanometer has an exciter lamp that records sound on the film by exposing sound waves on the film as light pulses. You also need to have an Auricon optical film recording amplifier and a 50 ohm microphone that plugs into the camera that allows the galvanometer to work. You must use 1R"B" wound(single perf. film) if you want to record optical sound. The amplifier and microphone are probably available on EBAY, but the Galvanometer may be hard to find if it is not included with the camera. These cameras are self blimped and run extremely quietly for recording live sound. Obviously you can shoot silent if you choose. I hope this helps! Roger.
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#15 Ole Dost

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 10:01 AM

Hi,
Once again it´s me with my Auricon from EBay...
It finally arrived. I opened it -and what I found was much different from what the seller discribed as "clean". A mapple seed inside the compartement makes me assume that it has been laying outside for a certain time. The sound recording unit is completely missing and I can´t see anything looking likely to a pressure plate.... the transport axis is movable. When turned by hand the shutter disk is moving quite smoothly...
Do you think it makes any sense to have it repaired? Or better throw it away?
THank you for any reply. And thank you for all the informations you have already been writing me.
Ole
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#16 Charles MacDonald

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 09:12 PM

Hi,
Once again it´s me with my Auricon from EBay...
It finally arrived. I opened it -and what I found was much different from what the seller discribed as "clean".
Do you think it makes any sense to have it repaired? Or better throw it away?
Ole

sound like some of the 16mm projectors I have bought!

Get another one or two of the same madel, and you might have enough to put together a working one.
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#17 Zachary Vex

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 10:58 PM

Sorry to hear about the condition. I have one a CM-72 as well, with the recording amplifier. It's quite interesting! There's a wooden battery box under the vacuum-tube recording amp that I loaded up with 6V lantern batteries and a string of 9V batteries to power the tubes up. The camera itself came with a "vibrator-type" 12VDC-to-120VAC inverter, which I discarded immediately since there are such inexpensive and lightweight inverters available at even Target now. The camera has a clock motor which runs on 120VAC, so presumably with some electronics knowledge one could operate it at a multitude of speeds by varying the frequency! I have no idea how much the mechanics would tolerate high or ultra-low speeds, but it sounds like an inexpensive way to experiment. 8^)

At any rate, it's my guess that this type of camera was used by the Saturday Night Live crew when making their extremely humorous old "talkie"-style black and white movie segments years ago. The edits on those were quite deliberately cut directly on the sound track so that voices would disappear for a second or appear too early during scene changes as a result of the displaced optical track which appears on the film a certain number of frames before the image.
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