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#1 Gary Lemson

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 07:59 AM

I came across a pressure plate device for S8 carts advertised in Small Format magazine. It's called the "Frame Master". Anyone tried this?

Edited by Gary Lemson, 25 October 2006 - 07:59 AM.

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#2 Olex Kalynychenko

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 10:42 AM

I came across a pressure plate device for S8 carts advertised in Small Format magazine. It's called the "Frame Master". Anyone tried this?


The better idea, if you will use the russian style Super 8 reloadable film cartridges with pressure plate inside.
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#3 Gary Lemson

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 01:55 PM

...use the russian style Super 8 reloadable film cartridges with pressure plate inside.


Where do we get those from?
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#4 Olex Kalynychenko

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 02:44 PM

Where do we get those from?


You can ask me olex@a-teleport.com
You can visit of http://www.geocities...m_cartridge.htm
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#5 John Adolfi

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Posted 25 October 2006 - 06:43 PM

I have tired the metal pressure plate. It works and it steadies the picture about 20-50%.
But I have never seen this Russian reloadable cartridge. Anyone have any experience with it? I'd love to see some close-ups of the gate area. Is it worth the hassle? Where do we buy 100-400 loads, Europe?
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#6 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 01:14 AM

i have done an engine search and found two pictures of super 8 plates
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if this helps?


Hey, it's Santo Reincarnated!

The occasional rash of spam topics that seemed to coincide with your leaving the Cinematography forums, was that just a coincidence?
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#7 Gary Lemson

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 10:05 AM

It works and it steadies the picture about 20-50%.


Could you clarify this?

What would it take to improve the device? Is it too thin? Is it not stationary?
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#8 John Adolfi

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 10:24 AM

What I was getting at was to get a closer look at the "gate" in the Russian cartridge.

Edited by John Adolfi, 26 October 2006 - 10:25 AM.

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#9 John Adolfi

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 08:13 PM

Has anyone used this?? What reloadable film is available? How much are these?
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#10 Richardson Leao

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 08:23 PM

Has anyone used this?? What reloadable film is available? How much are these?


I have a few and they work very well. I dunno however where to get s8 film on core, what I am doing, I use foma DS8 (www.jandcphoto.com) and split it before loading the cartridge. Doing this, you have 2x 10m cartridges for US8.99$.
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#11 Richardson Leao

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Posted 26 October 2006 - 08:35 PM

I have a few and they work very well. I dunno however where to get s8 film on core, what I am doing, I use foma DS8 (www.jandcphoto.com) and split it before loading the cartridge. Doing this, you have 2x 10m cartridges for US8.99$.


By the way, you can also get a metal pressure plate to add in kodak (or other) cartridges from:

http://www.german.film-super8.de/

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#12 André Bacher

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 09:17 AM

Hello!

The Frame Master is invented and built by GK-Film GmbH
(Mr. Gottfried Klose). You can find all information about this Pressure Plate for Super-8 on his website in english:
http://www.englisch.film-super8.de/

Here you can see a demo video which shows the result by using thie Frame Master:
http://www.englisch..../demovideo.html

The old super-8 problem is the cheap plastic pressure plate inside the cartridge which causes bad picture steadiness and sometimes out of focus pictures. If you put the Frame Master in the cartridge, you get a very steady image, much better than without it! You can change it very quick from one cartridge to another.
On the GK-Film website you can find an english Frame Master manual pdf-file:
http://www.englisch....atte/manual.pdf

You can buy it on GK-Film website for 128 Euro.
The same original Frame Master is sold by ANDEC Filmtechnik:
http://www.andecfilm...essureplate.htm
Price here is 120 Euro inclusive shipping to the US

Film stock from 50f to 1000f (depends on which stock) are availible here:
Wittner Cinetec Germany:
http://www.wittner-k...mm/s8_meter.php
-Kodachrome K40 (called: Wittner Chrome 40T)
-Fuji Velvia 50 Pro (called: Wittner Chrome V50D)
-Fujichrome 64T
-Fuji F-500T
-Fuji F-250D
-Orwo UN 54 (b&w)

Kahl-Film germany:
http://www.kahlfilm.de/
- 5 different black & white stocks


Reloadable cartridges:
Wittner Cinetec Germany
http://www.wittner-k...mm/s8_meter.php (bottom of page)
- Plastic cartridge with plastic pressure plate, you can use this type with the Frame Master!

Olex Kalynychenko (Ukraine ?)
- Plastic cartridge with metal pressure plate (you can see it on the pictures linked 4 postings above by Mr. Rodolfo Guzmán Huerta)
Attention: you cannot use this typ of cartridge with the Frame Master!


I think this piece of metal is worth the money and now, Super-8 is really near the stable pictures of Double-Super 8!

greetings,
André

Edited by Andre Bacher, 27 October 2006 - 09:22 AM.

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#13 John Adolfi

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 10:15 AM

At 239 Euros plus shipping for 1000 ft. of film it comes to about $15 per 50' roll excluding the 1000 foot roll shipping. Then load your own cartridge with the metal plate. Or buy 50' cart. of film direct from Kodak and use you own reuseable plate. Seems like the metal plate in Kodaks cart. is the better deal all around. Am I missing something?

Edited by John Adolfi, 27 October 2006 - 10:16 AM.

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#14 Gary Lemson

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 10:47 AM

You can find all information about this Pressure Plate for Super-8...


Great info here!

Thanks.
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#15 André Bacher

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 11:03 AM

At 239 Euros plus shipping for 1000 ft. of film it comes to about $15 per 50' roll excluding the 1000 foot roll shipping. Then load your own cartridge with the metal plate. Or buy 50' cart. of film direct from Kodak and use you own reuseable plate. Seems like the metal plate in Kodaks cart. is the better deal all around. Am I missing something?


Yes, K40 in Super-8 cartridges is not longer produced by Kodak :( !
The only way to use this emulsion in the super8 format is to shoot in DS8 or use offers like the one from Wittner.

But you can calculate it against the new Ektachrome 64T:
If you buy 1000ft in 50ft cartridges (Wittner price), you have to pay US$ 9,34 against US$ 9 for 50ft K40 (Witter price, buying 1000ft and reloud it yourself).
If the Ektachrome emulsion is ok for you, take it and dont stress yourself with loading 20 cartridges in the dark room :ph34r:

You can use the FrameMaster with any cartridge (as i know), but not with the russian one with another metal pressure-plate inside.


greetings,
André
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#16 Gary Lemson

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 08:51 AM

Are there any cameras (Beaulieu, Leicina, Canon 1014, etc.) less susceptible to the inherent cartridge issue?
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