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#1 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 04:38 PM

I want to shoot some lighting tests for a short on 35mm stills, and as usuall want to do it on slide film.

However the short is going to be in black and white and wondered if anyone knew black and white slide film still existed and whether there is the processing infastructure for it.

I'm quite suprised its not immediatly availble since Plus-x and tri-x reversal films are available in motion picture film.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 05:08 PM

I suppose you could process 5231 as reversal. Reversal stocks are available in 16mm but not 35. But you can probably also find some Ilford m/p stock around if you look.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 05:24 PM

Try Agfa Scala which was still being made last time I checked a few months ago. Be aware that there are only a few labs that process it. Depending on where you are you might have a drop-off point, usually a pro stills lab, for processing.

Well after checking the web I guess Scala isn't actualy made anymore. I have seen it around so maybe you can find some. There are photo labs out there that print BW negs as chromes. I'm not sure how acurate this would be though.

If you're shooting on B/W MP stock you should really send a short test roll to the lab to test the speed of there juice.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 05:52 PM

I'm quite suprised its not immediatly availble since Plus-x and tri-x reversal films are available in motion picture film.


I don?t understand from your post if you shoot super8 or 16, I guess it is 16.
Any way I think it will be cheaper for you to shoot a test roll in super8 (tri-x or plus-x) than to try and find the last slide black&white film on the plant?and even 16 reversal is not too expensive.
I think in general it also the right way to go anyway.
If you do find any sort of black&white slide film please let me know because in still photography I am only shooting on slide color film (Fuji velvia 100 and provia 400) and I would love to shoot something in a black&white slide film :D
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#5 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 06:26 PM

sorry I think my original post was somewhat confusing (wrong use of commars, dyslexia etc.)

I'm planning to shoot a short on 16mm black and white negative (I know the reversals available are newer and less grainy but unfortunatly there is no b/w reversal processing in the UK, and if i send it abroad the price becomes excessive)

as standard practice i always try to shoot some test stills on 35 mm slides, but as this is in black & white I thought it would be better to do this on black and white slide film.


If there is simply no b/w slide film, maybe i should shoot standard b/w 35mm stills film, with a grey scale and have a proffesional stills lab print according to the greyscale - maybe that will give me a good uncorrected indicator?

Thanks for all the help.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 07:40 PM

Any Ilford BW film (that uses BW processing) can be developed as a slide. I presume Kodak tri-x BW film can also be developed as a reversal (you can find it in ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem for example). If I was you I would probably get the reversal chemistry (widescreen-centre or from Olexandr: http://www.geocities...russiancamera/). The process is quite simple, just a few more steps than normal processing. If you cannot find a reversal kit available, for ilford films, you can buy normal BW developer and fixer, than you need extra:

Potassium permanganate, sulphuric acid and sodium sulfite.


you can use the times sshown on Olexandr site, the potassium permanganate is used as a bleach. Also you can check:

http://www.ilfordpho... and white film



sorry I think my original post was somewhat confusing (wrong use of commars, dyslexia etc.)

I'm planning to shoot a short on 16mm black and white negative (I know the reversals available are newer and less grainy but unfortunatly there is no b/w reversal processing in the UK, and if i send it abroad the price becomes excessive)

as standard practice i always try to shoot some test stills on 35 mm slides, but as this is in black & white I thought it would be better to do this on black and white slide film.
If there is simply no b/w slide film, maybe i should shoot standard b/w 35mm stills film, with a grey scale and have a proffesional stills lab print according to the greyscale - maybe that will give me a good uncorrected indicator?

Thanks for all the help.
Andy


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#7 Sam Wells

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:21 PM

http://www.dr5.com

In the US, though....


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#8 Nathan Milford

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:36 PM

Check out DR5 Chrome

He processes B&W negative to make B&W chromes. I'd shoot tests to see if the process is relative to shooting motion-picture B&W reversal, but the two systems should be analogous.
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#9 Charles MacDonald

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 08:38 PM

I want to shoot some lighting tests for a short on 35mm stills, and as usuall want to do it on slide film.
However the short is going to be in black and white and wondered if anyone knew black and white slide film still existed and whether there is the processing infastructure for it.

Fomam (http://www.foma.cz/ ) does sell their R100 B&w stock as 35mm 36 exposure rolls. I am not sure where you would get it processed. In europe I suspect that you would have to get it from photoimpex. http://photoimpex.de/ or http://www.fotoimpex.co.uk/ {Their site says Fomapan R100 35mm Fomapan R100 35mm 36exp reversal (slide) film This is a highly regarded film producing excellent results. £3.49}
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#10 Richardson Leao

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:06 AM

The beauty of foma is that the 16mm film you shoot is the same as the 35mm for stills, so you can predict all the contrast and 'colors' you will end up. If you have problems to find it you can also buy it from www.jandcphoto.com (both 35mm still roll and 16mm)



Fomam (http://www.foma.cz/ ) does sell their R100 B&w stock as 35mm 36 exposure rolls. I am not sure where you would get it processed. In europe I suspect that you would have to get it from photoimpex. http://photoimpex.de/ or http://www.fotoimpex.co.uk/ {Their site says Fomapan R100 35mm Fomapan R100 35mm 36exp reversal (slide) film This is a highly regarded film producing excellent results. £3.49}


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#11 Richardson Leao

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 12:18 AM

The beauty of foma is that the 16mm film you shoot is the same as the 35mm for stills, so you can predict all the contrast and 'colors' you will end up. If you have problems to find it you can also buy it from www.jandcphoto.com (both 35mm still roll and 16mm)


don't want to be repetitive, but a home processing tank can be quite useful for tests. Spiral tanks are very fast but they only get 15m while rewind are annoying but take 30m. Alternatively, a jobo tank with transparent (or semi) spiral can do for the stills.

http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem
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#12 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:43 PM

Thanks for all the help everyone, I've decided to go the Fomapan R100 route and getting it processed with DR5.

Cheers
Andy
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#13 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 03:35 PM

I've finally had some samlples of my first roll of Fomapan R100 scanned.

The scans (as usuall) don't do this beautiful film justice. Plus their a little dirty. The stills are some preparations for the short. I've tried to select a few different samples that show how it copes.

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#14 K Borowski

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 05:21 PM

Very beautiful pictures, Andy. I hope you get around to making your film if it looks anything like these do.

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