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#1 Daniel Pratt

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 06:50 AM

Hello All,
I have been asked to DP a 1min short in b/w. The whole film is of a man driving in a car at night and the director wants a contrasty, moody sort of feel. The 'master' shot is a mid shot from the front drivers fender and will make up a bulk of the film. My plan is mount a dedo with ND6 or 9 on the dash to simulate dash lights, and a dedo behind the drivers seat as a back light. My questions are, what stock would you suggest, what pitfuls should i watch for and anything to take into consideration shooting b/w as i have never touched it before.

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#2 Chris Dingley

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Posted 21 November 2006 - 05:46 PM

Hey, I just Dp'd my short film. we shot a billiards game. if you want the whole contrasty thing try a yellow-15 filter or a yellow-2 that should do the trick. and if your shooting at night a ND filter wont help very much.
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#3 Daniel Pratt

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 03:02 AM

Hey, I just Dp'd my short film. we shot a billiards game. if you want the whole contrasty thing try a yellow-15 filter or a yellow-2 that should do the trick. and if your shooting at night a ND filter wont help very much.


Thanks Chris,
By the way i didn't mean an ND on the lens i meant on the dedo. even though they're only weak if it's 2ft from the drivers face it might by a little too contrasty.

Cheers dan
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#4 Daniel Madsen

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Posted 22 November 2006 - 06:22 PM

Dedo lights are quite sourcey. I'd suggest bouncing it into something- maybe a white card on the dash board or ceiling.

Shooting in black and white, you will also find yourself using a more conventional lighting scheme (ie. key, fill back light) to get proper seperation.

There is not one type of color filter that insures a contrasty image. It all depends on the colors that dominate the scene.
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Posted 24 November 2006 - 03:36 PM

Is the car driving in the city or in the countryside? What do you see in the background? Where are you placing/mounting your camera? Are there source lights coming in from outside? Are you trying to recreate the look of a certain period?

You don't need filters on the camera for a contrasty look, you do this with the lighting.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 06:52 PM

Thanks Chris,
By the way i didn't mean an ND on the lens i meant on the dedo. even though they're only weak if it's 2ft from the drivers face it might by a little too contrasty.

Cheers dan



If you have access to it, I'd suggest Mini KinFlo units... they give a nice little punch (great for eyelight) for a very compact unit. It also comes with an adapter for a car lighter.

I've only shot 7222 with B&W -- and have been very happy with the results. Theres a lot of latitude to play around with, which would help for your (presumed) low lighting for the night scene.

Best of Luck,
BtB
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