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#1 Craig Knowles

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 12:59 PM

1-day auction, extensive Super16 ACL package, no reserve, listed under Equestrian products, must contact the seller directly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...VQQcmdZViewItem

I've seen this scam -- with the same pictures but different user IDs -- on eBay for at least the last month now. Last time it was listed under "Baking Goods". Why does eBay let garbage like this continue? It's become so risky to buy any big tickets items on there now.

Edited by Craig Knowles, 29 November 2006 - 01:01 PM.

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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 01:17 PM

1-day auction, extensive Super16 ACL package, no reserve, listed under Equestrian products, must contact the seller directly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...VQQcmdZViewItem

I've seen this scam -- with the same pictures but different user IDs -- on eBay for at least the last month now. Last time it was listed under "Baking Goods". Why does eBay let garbage like this continue? It's become so risky to buy any big tickets items on there now.


Hi Craig,

Well nobody bid and the starting price was $10.00!

Stephen
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#3 James Erd

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:22 PM

1-day auction, extensive Super16 ACL package, no reserve, listed under Equestrian products, must contact the seller directly.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...VQQcmdZViewItem

I've seen this scam -- with the same pictures but different user IDs -- on eBay for at least the last month now. Last time it was listed under "Baking Goods". Why does eBay let garbage like this continue? It's become so risky to buy any big tickets items on there now.


I took a look at the sellers feedback section and it's very fishy. First of all there are several "customers" who have only bought from this individual. Secondly even though the seller has negative feedback [ 33 past month, 160 past six months, 249 past twelve months ] you'd have a hard time finding it.
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#4 Gavin Greenwalt

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:30 PM

I was shopping for a 30" cinema display on Ebay, and found one guy running about 20 odd stolen account auctions.

I emailed him on one of them, and finally all but got him to admit it was a sham.

It's very simple. Don't trust "Purple" auctions and don't talk to anybody through any unofficial channels. That'll take care of 99% of all problems.

Infact. I talked to Ebay's security team, after reporting almost 40 fradulent auctions. I told them if they want to counter fraud all they have to do is automatically delete every single auction that has *@aol.com* in the description. They would reduce fraud overnight with that EXTREMELY simple filter. Apparently they didn't listen... see auction at hand.

Last time someone tried this I offered to pay them upon delivery. But I would send them a photo of me holding a contract saying I would pay them when it arrived, standing in front of my address holding a piece of mail with my name on it and some form of official ID. I thought it was a reasonable request... but apparently, he was afraid I would run off with his non-existant product without paying. ;)

Hell it was such a good deal I even offered to mail him a polaroid.

Edited by Gavin Greenwalt, 29 November 2006 - 02:31 PM.

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#5 Hal Smith

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:49 PM

The reason these scam artists want you to email them directly is simple: If you send a message through eBay, the person they stole the account from gets the message, not the scammer. I send messages through eBay to the real account holders giving them a heads-up that their account has been hijacked.

A custom dressmaker in Thailand was so grateful for the warning that they offered to make any dress they manufacture for my wife at 50% off their already reasonable rates. They make a knock-off of a classic Chanel cocktail dress - I may just take them up on their offer!
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 02:57 PM

It's very simple. Don't trust "Purple" auctions and don't talk to anybody through any unofficial channels. That'll take care of 99% of all problems.



What is a purple auction?
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#7 Tim Carroll

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 04:34 PM

I sold the camera pictured below on eBay a few weeks ago. I thought I would beat the scammers by putting a watermark on the pictures in the auction so no one could steal them. Well, they stole them anyway and put them back up with the watermark still on them. Done it a few times in the last week alone.

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So if you see this eBay auction for an Arriflex 16S/B, it is a SCAM. The real auction was over a few weeks ago.

They are usually showing up as 24 hour auctions. I think the scammers are hoping to get someone's money before eBay takes the auctions down.

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#8 Craig Knowles

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Posted 29 November 2006 - 06:58 PM

They are usually showing up as 24 hour auctions. I think the scammers are hoping to get someone's money before eBay takes the auctions down.


That's totally it -- send me $700 before eBay finds the scam auction -- but eBay could catch these people through IP logging and in conjunction with the e-mail providers listed in the scam item description. Prosecutions could take place if eBay was even the slightest bit interested in protecting its users. Hell, they could even prevent account hijacking via IP logging.

Edited by Craig Knowles, 29 November 2006 - 06:59 PM.

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#9 Film Runner

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 05:26 PM

That's totally it -- send me $700 before eBay finds the scam auction -- but eBay could catch these people through IP logging and in conjunction with the e-mail providers listed in the scam item description. Prosecutions could take place if eBay was even the slightest bit interested in protecting its users. Hell, they could even prevent account hijacking via IP logging.


Hey Guys!

Remember the scene in FIGHT CLUB when Tyler Turden (Edward Norton) is at his crappy day job doing statistic work for product safety recalls and other insurance work?

And when he knows of companies that find product flaws that actually kill people. Kill not scam.

And the result?

If the risk analysis shows a company would lose less money in settling civil suits for product failures causing fatalities versus making a full blown recall, what will they do? Nothing!

Why would ebay be any different? Heck, at least they are letting known scammers rob people.

It's not like they're letting people die because they don't want to lose money on a huge product recall.

But if ebay was a tire, automobile, airplane, or boat manafacturer it might be slightly different.

But not by much.

"It's about the money, honey!"

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#10 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 06:03 PM

Ebay used to indicate if an auction was a three day, 5 day or 7 day auction etc. Not any more. Now, at least to my eyes, there's no way of knowing how long a particular auction has been going on for. As discussed earlier, scammers usually use short duration auctions to run their scams for expensive items. Now their work is made a little easier because of ebay hiding the relevant information.

Edited by Patrick Cooper, 30 November 2006 - 06:07 PM.

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#11 Hal Smith

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 06:16 PM

Ebay used to indicate if an auction was a three day, 5 day or 7 day auction etc. Not any more.

If you do keyword searches for "Ending Soonest", the time until the end of the auction is displayed. When you display a listing there's a line that has the time to go followed by the ending date and time in parenthesis.
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#12 Craig Knowles

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 07:53 PM

If the risk analysis shows a company would lose less money in settling civil suits for product failures causing fatalities versus making a full blown recall, what will they do? Nothing!


You're telling me the following lines of code would bring eBay to it's knees?

IF CustomerIPAddress <> Request.ServerVariables("remote_addr") THEN
	CanISell = FALSE
	Response.write("You can only post items for sale using your primary account computer.")
ELSE
	CanISell = TRUE
	Response.write("Welcome back, reputable seller!")
END IF

I won't even charge them for it.

Edited by Craig Knowles, 30 November 2006 - 07:55 PM.

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#13 Gavin Greenwalt

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:02 PM

A purple auction is a bold super duper special edition featured auction. Aka... someone who doesn't care about their profit margins and is willing to spend $50 on their product listing.
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#14 Ian Marks

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:04 PM

I'm with you, Craig, but I wonder if Ebay's failure to police its own site doesn't come down to a liability issue. If they took *some* steps to curb this kind of abuse, it would demonstrate that they understood and had constructive notice of the problem, and might be liable for the scams their measures didn't prevent. In other words, there might be a lawyer somewhere advising them to stick to their hands-off "we just bring buyers and sellers together, so buyer beware" approach because making *some* effort exposes them to more liability than doing nothing.
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#15 Gavin Greenwalt

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 08:20 PM

1 line of code run every hour would also solve a lot of Ebay's problems

DELETE * FROM Auctions WHERE description LIKE '%@aol.com%';

The problem with your IP system would be people who are on a dynamic IP. It could be a little bit smarter by looking up their IP's GeoData and then comparing that to the account registration. If you're in another state... it'll block you. If you're in another country. It'll block you and send a report to the account holder.

Edited by Gavin Greenwalt, 30 November 2006 - 08:21 PM.

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#16 Igor Trajkovski

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 09:18 PM

Hey Guys!

Remember the scene in FIGHT CLUB when Tyler Turden (Edward Norton) is at his crappy day job doing statistic work for product safety recalls and other insurance work?


It's The Narrator, played by Edward Norton.
Brad Pitt is Tyler Durden.

:)

Cheers

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#17 Patrick Cooper

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 11:29 PM

"If you do keyword searches for "Ending Soonest", the time until the end of the auction is displayed. When you display a listing there's a line that has the time to go followed by the ending date and time in parenthesis."

Ah yes but this only indicates the time remaining from the current time in which you first caught sight of the auction. However, this particular auction may have already been running for several days or perhaps several hours prior to your discovery of it. In other words, we need to know whenabouts the auction started, in addition to when it will end. This will tell us the whole duration of the auction.
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#18 James Erd

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Posted 30 November 2006 - 11:49 PM

Curiosity got the better of me and I went back to look at the add and it has been removed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...VQQcmdZViewItem

Perhaps ebay is doing a better job policing their website than we are giving them credit for. I would like to see if the user's account is still active but I didn't think to make a note of it.
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#19 Craig Knowles

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 12:38 AM

1 line of code run every hour would also solve a lot of Ebay's problems

DELETE * FROM Auctions WHERE description LIKE '%@aol.com%';


Ahhh, so...there are other computer geeks on here.

What's the situation with the AOL email addresses? I dislike AOL, but only scammers use AOL accounts?

Edited by Craig Knowles, 01 December 2006 - 12:39 AM.

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#20 Ian Marks

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Posted 01 December 2006 - 11:34 PM

"Perhaps ebay is doing a better job policing their website than we are giving them credit for."

Not really - they crop up constantly. As soon as one batch is shut down another batch appears, usually on a highjacked account. Really, would a seller called "twosoccermoms" that has never sold a camera before suddenly have a huge stock of PL-mounted Zeiss lenses, and Aaton kits, and Leicas and Hasselblads, all with the same $10 opening bid, and request payment in British Pounds?

Last week, on a lark, I contacted one of these scammers, innocently asking if I could do a "Buy It Now" deal on the Aaton he had advertised. I got this response:

----- Original Message -----
From: "phones phones"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Aaton camera


>I am ready to ship the camera.
> These are my payment details:
> Martin Corner
> 168 Highgate Road
> NW5 1QS
> London
> UK
>
> Mail me the payment details from Western Union:
> -sender's name and address:
> -MTCN(money transfer control no.)
> I will ship the phones immediately after that
> Thanks
>
>
>>From: "IDX C1 Sherman Oaks"
>>To:
>>Subject: Re: Aaton camera
>>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:52:18 -0800
>>
>>Okay how do I pay?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "phones phones"

>>To:
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:57 PM
>>Subject: RE: Aaton camera
>>
>>
>>>The buy it now price is 800 euro .Look the camera is in mint
condition
>>>and come in original box with all accesories.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "IDX C1 Sherman Oaks"
>>>>To:
>>>>Subject: Aaton camera
>>>>Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:55:58 -0800
>>>>
>>>>Would you do a buy it now?
>>>
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Now here's a question: Is anyone out there in London? Any chance of checking out this address on Highgate Road? I'm curious if it's a residence, a cybercafe, or what.
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