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#1 Angeliki Makraki

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:21 PM

So who is responsible fro the incredible opening shot of Birth ?
The DP , Director or GB
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#2 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:28 PM

So who is responsible fro the incredible opening shot of Birth ?
The DP , Director or GB


Why can't it be all three? And how do you know that the screenwriters didn't think up that opening?
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#3 Giles Sherwood

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:34 PM

George Eastman.
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#4 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:45 PM

George Eastman.


Ha ha! good one ;)
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#5 Angeliki Makraki

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:15 AM

Why can't it be all three? And how do you know that the screenwriters didn't think up that opening?



It could be all three, and that would be nice, but what I liked is the camera movement following the runner.
Probably it was one persons idea. Wondering who. Maybe whoever is resposible could answer us here.

Edited by Angeliki Makraki, 17 January 2007 - 04:18 AM.

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#6 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:52 AM

It could be all three, and that would be nice, but what I liked is the camera movement following the runner.
Probably it was one persons idea. Wondering who. Maybe whoever is resposible could answer us here.



Harris Savides told me that it was originaly planned as a cablecam/wire rig but had to be changed at the last minute due to location rigging/permission issues. So it sounds like the idea of the shot was already in place and GB came on board to solve a logistical problem. That shot blew me away when i first saw it.
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#7 Angeliki Makraki

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 09:57 AM

Harris Savides told me that it was originaly planned as a cablecam/wire rig but had to be changed at the last minute due to location rigging/permission issues. So it sounds like the idea of the shot was already in place and GB came on board to solve a logistical problem. That shot blew me away when i first saw it.


I would guess that it was Harris Savides composition and lighting and Jonathan Glazer camera movement.
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#8 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:15 AM

You can't really sub-divide the credit like that. It's a collaboration.
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#9 Jon Rosenbloom

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:18 AM

Haven't actually seen it, but, can you throw some cred to Key Grip Gary Martone and Dolly Grip Rick Marroquin?
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Posted 17 January 2007 - 10:40 AM

i assume that Garret Brown was standing on a small crane. is this what was happening. was he tilting down on the subject?
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#11 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:12 AM

For those of you who haven't seen this shot, here it is: birth opening.
And if you're interested in other great steadicam shots, check out steadishots.
I'm not sure why someone would try to give credit to one individual for this shot......but it is nice.
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#12 Max Jacoby

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:16 AM

I would guess that it was Harris Savides composition and lighting and Jonathan Glazer camera movement.

In my book composition and camera movement are one and the same thing.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 07:50 AM

I must be missing something ,havent seen the film , but watched clip on here , it just looks like a shot from a camera car to me , not steadicam . John Holland.
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#14 Alex Wuijts

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 08:07 AM

Same here. It's a very intriguing shot, but what ingenious thing am i missing?
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#15 Max Jacoby

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 09:30 AM

Brad,

This website is amazing! Thanks for linking it.
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#16 John Holland

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:11 PM

Its a great site, but someone please tell me why this shot from "Birth " is included ? John Holland.
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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:49 PM

I must be missing something ,havent seen the film , but watched clip on here , it just looks like a shot from a camera car to me , not steadicam . John Holland.


If a cam op is rigged with a steadicam, and stands at the top of a crane attached to a camera car...is it a "steadicam shot".

I doubt that's how this shot was achieved, definitely a camera car with crane shot...I don't think Brown is that tall.

Wonderfully executed though, it sticks to the ol' adage "Keep it simple, stupid". The music makes the shot too. :)
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#18 John Holland

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:55 PM

Yes i do understand that , just seems a great waste of Mr Browns talents , thats all . John Holland.
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#19 Stephen Murphy

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:24 PM

Yes i do understand that , just seems a great waste of Mr Browns talents , thats all . John Holland.


On the contrary John its an exceptionaly difficult shot to achieve with a steadicam because its not supposed to look like a steadicam shot - watch the horizon line - its as close to perfect as you'll get with a steadicam. The crosshairs rarely drift from the actor - thats not as easy as it seems either. Add to that the difficult terrain, which make it hard for the operator to stay balanced regardless of what vehicle/crane he is standing/seating on, and hence harder to hold the Kubrickian frame throughout, never mind dealing with whatever wind was there on the day. And avoiding the tunnel at the end of the shot while getting the camera as close to its roof as possible takes balls of steel:) Its a hard shot to pull off because its a subtle steadicam shot, and it takes a great steadicam op to achieve that. I doubt most people on this forum knew it was a steadicam shot untill told - which i think is a fantastic comment on the tools vesatility in the right hands.

- jonathan
If a cam op is rigged with a steadicam, and stands at the top of a crane attached to a camera car...is it a "steadicam shot".
Yes it is, Hard or soft mounting to vehicles is a great way to achieve otherwise impossible or difficult shots.

I doubt that's how this shot was achieved, definitely a camera car with crane shot...I don't think Brown is that tall.

Im positive thats how the shot was achieved because the DP told me so! And youd be surprised how tall GB is:)
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#20 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 05:54 PM

I doubt that's how this shot was achieved, definitely a camera car with crane shot...I don't think Brown is that tall.[/i]
Im positive thats how the shot was achieved because the DP told me so! And youd be surprised how tall GB is:)


Ha ha, fair enough :)
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