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#1 Fernando Nicolas

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 01:43 AM

What would be the standard difference between renting the same exact equipment for three days (sticks, lenses, on-board monitor, follow focus, etc.) between a 435 and a 16SR3?

I understand it would vary by rental house, but what's the ballpark?


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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:45 AM

What would be the standard difference between renting the same exact equipment for three days (sticks, lenses, on-board monitor, follow focus, etc.) between a 435 and a 16SR3?

I understand it would vary by rental house, but what's the ballpark?
Thanks.


Hi,

Probably very little, a camera body represents just a fraction of the rental package.

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#3 Scott Fritzshall

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:38 AM

www.fletch.com
Here's a Chicago rental company that rents both the SR-3 and 435, so you can check out some differences in costs. It will vary based on who you rent it from.

Edited by Scott Fritzshall, 10 January 2007 - 03:39 AM.

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#4 Stephen Williams

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 01:04 PM

www.fletch.com
Here's a Chicago rental company that rents both the SR-3 and 435, so you can check out some differences in costs. It will vary based on who you rent it from.


Hi,

The point of comparing the rental costs is totally a waste of time IMHO. The film & processing costs of 35mm will be 4 times higher, assuming the same running times. 400' of 16mm runs the same time as 1000' of 35mm, the cost of 35mm film is also higher per foot.

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#5 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:44 PM

I wonder what the costs of shooting say a feature film for intended theatrical distribution on Super 16 be in comparison against what it would cost to shoot the same feature film on Sony/Panasonic HD?

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Edited by Andy_Alderslade, 10 January 2007 - 06:45 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:19 PM

Hi,

The point of comparing the rental costs is totally a waste of time IMHO. The film & processing costs of 35mm will be 4 times higher, assuming the same running times. 400' of 16mm runs the same time as 1000' of 35mm, the cost of 35mm film is also higher per foot.

Stephen


Whether it is a waste of time or not, it was his intended question. He may already understand the difference in shooting the two formats. The questions regarding the rental of the camera equipment.

The answer for the original question will vary, it really depends on where you get it from and which type of 435 and which type of SR3 and ect. The cost of the 435 package with more expensive without a doubt and i would say to estimate that the cost would be any where from 50-33% more for the 435 package. But thats if you dont haggle.
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#7 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:39 PM

An Arri-435 is a particularly pricey 35mm camera, so the question is why a 435 and not a cheaper 35mm camera?
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 03:55 AM

I wonder what the costs of shooting say a feature film for intended theatrical distribution on Super 16 be in comparison against what it would cost to shoot the same feature film on Sony/Panasonic HD?

Andy


Hi Andy,

If you make an optical blow up, the 16mm will be cheaper than shooting digital and a film out. Come to that shooting 35mm 4 perf 1:1.85 or Anamorphic with a photochemical finish will probably be the cheaper still.

Stephen

The answer for the original question will vary, it really depends on where you get it from and which type of 435 and which type of SR3 and ect. The cost of the 435 package with more expensive without a doubt and i would say to estimate that the cost would be any where from 50-33% more for the 435 package. But thats if you dont haggle.


Hi,

As there are 4 versions of 435, the straight '435' will probably be cheaper to rent than an SR3. That will probably not be the case for a 435 Extreme. Video assists, lenses, tripods, matte boxes, follow focus units, extra magazines etc will cost the same however.

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#9 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:09 PM

Hi Andy,

If you make an optical blow up, the 16mm will be cheaper than shooting digital and a film out. Come to that shooting 35mm 4 perf 1:1.85 or Anamorphic with a photochemical finish will probably be the cheaper still.

Stephen


I see, interesting, so the probability of getting a theatrical distribution or not is going to have a major affect on the viability and economics for each format.

Edited by Andy_Alderslade, 11 January 2007 - 07:12 PM.

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#10 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 07:28 PM

Also, an Arri-435 is an MOS camera and the Arri-SR3 is a quiet sync-sound camera. So is this camera for an MOS commercial or for a sync-sound feature or what?
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#11 Stephen Williams

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 02:46 AM

I see, interesting, so the probability of getting a theatrical distribution or not is going to have a major affect on the viability and economics for each format.


Hi Andy,

Exactly, there is however a cash flow advantage to shooting digital or 16mm for theatrical distribution.

Stephen
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