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What does this post on Arri site about 416 mean?


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#1 Jim Feldspar

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:34 PM

From the Arri site about the 416:

"A completely new lightweight ergonomic design, integrated electronic accessories and compatibility
with the same lenses and accessories used by its 35 mm siblings make the 416 the most powerful,
flexible and portable Super 16 camera ever built."

How can a 16mm camera use a lens for a 35mm camera (and why?)
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#2 David Sweetman

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:47 PM

How can a 16mm camera use a lens for a 35mm camera (and why?)

PL mount, I'd wager. Many 16mm lenses wouldn't cover the super 16 sized image area (as this cam is s16 out-of-the-box), but 35mm lenses cover it fine. Also, it allows dp's to use their favorite set of lenses.
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#3 Mitch Gross

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:48 PM

The camera uses the same lens mount (Arri PL) as its 35mm big brothers, and the viewfinder design has been adjusted so that very large barrelled lenses have plenty of physical clearance to fit. Why this is important is because the vast majority of modern lens design work is being done in the 35mm world compared to the 16mm world. Superior optics are superior optics, so one would wish to use them on the camera no matter the format size. A 50mm lens is a 50mm lens, one just uses a smaller portion of the projected image when shooting in 16 as opposed to 35.

Btw, Aaton cameras have always been able to physically fit even the largest of these PL mount lenses, even the new monster-wide Master Primes. Had to slip it in.
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#4 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 14 January 2007 - 11:51 PM

Most modern Super-16 cameras have the same PL-mount as 35mm cameras (excluding Panavision and their own lens mount).

So you can use 35mm cine lenses on a Super-16 camera. It's harder to go the other way -- use PL-mount 16mm cine lenses on a 35mm camera -- because the 16mm lenses were only designed to cover the Super-16 frame, so would vignette on 35mm. As for "why", most of the new lenses have been made for the 35mm format, so if you can use those on your Super-16 camera, you'd have more choices.

In fact, because of the popularity of using the new Cooke S4's and Zeiss Ultra and Master Primes on Super-16 cameras, both Cooke and Zeiss have come out with a few new lenses in the shorter focal lengths (more necessary for Super-16) that only cover the Super-16 frame (and are a little smaller than if they were made for 35mm.)
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#5 Jim Feldspar

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:39 AM

Most modern Super-16 cameras have the same PL-mount as 35mm cameras (excluding Panavision and their own lens mount).

So you can use 35mm cine lenses on a Super-16 camera. It's harder to go the other way -- use PL-mount 16mm cine lenses on a 35mm camera -- because the 16mm lenses were only designed to cover the Super-16 frame, so would vignette on 35mm. As for "why", most of the new lenses have been made for the 35mm format, so if you can use those on your Super-16 camera, you'd have more choices.

In fact, because of the popularity of using the new Cooke S4's and Zeiss Ultra and Master Primes on Super-16 cameras, both Cooke and Zeiss have come out with a few new lenses in the shorter focal lengths (more necessary for Super-16) that only cover the Super-16 frame (and are a little smaller than if they were made for 35mm.)



Thanks guys.

You probably know but I'll post this. Maybe it'll win a cup of coffee for somebody reading .

From the Arri site:

"Q: Why is this new camera called "416"?
A: The 416 is ARRI's 4th generation sync-sound 16 mm camera with a coaxial magazine."
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#6 Oliver Temmler

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:13 AM

Most modern Super-16 cameras have the same PL-mount as 35mm cameras (excluding Panavision and their own lens mount).

And modern doesn't mean only the newest models. The 16 SR3 Advanced/Highspeed also takes 35mm cine lenses.

So you can use 35mm cine lenses on a Super-16 camera. It's harder to go the other way -- use PL-mount 16mm cine lenses on a 35mm camera -- because the 16mm lenses were only designed to cover the Super-16 frame, so would vignette on 35mm.

It's a lot harder to go the other way actually, as most 16mm cine lenses extend too far into the lens compartment to be used in a 35mm camera. Hence the odds are pretty good you'd vaporize the mirror shutter if you did.
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