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#1 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

I'm shooting a music video for a group of friends and as usual there's no money.

I tried to persuade them to shoot it on the the Sony DSR-570WSP, but they say they can't afford the rental for that camera. (Yep, heard that one before.)


So the only other option apart from the usual (prosumer) suspects like the Canon XL2 or DVX100 are some older proffesional camera I can hire like the Sony UVW100 or BVW610 betaSP cameras

So just wondering what people thought was the better option, both versatility wise and quality wise?

Setting a look in camera (at least partialy) is fairly important to me, also does the Sony betacams have 2/3' chip or similiar DOF?

Cheers,
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#2 Chad Stockfleth

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 04:05 PM

Beta SP does have a 2/3" chip, but I would go with the XL2 or DVX. Is 24p not a concern for you? Anything shot 60i, to me anyway, is not good. With the XL2 you could use different glass which would be cool, but again that costs $$$.

I'd probably go DVX, but that's just me.
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#3 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 04:22 PM

Is 24p not a concern for you? Anything shot 60i, to me anyway, is not good.


Remember i'm in the PAL world so de-interlacing 50i in post is less of an issue.

I have less of a problem with interlaced footage than i do with a background thats simply impossible to get out of focus.

Edited by Andy_Alderslade, 29 January 2007 - 04:23 PM.

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#4 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 04:38 PM

I shot a couple of shorts on a DSR 500 as part a series of shorts for young people that also had shorts shot on a BVW300 on Betacam SP. Although it was cropped for 16:9, the BVW 300 held up extremely well and had a very nice look.

The BVW 600 series has the same camera head as the old DVW 700 DigiBeta camera, so given a good lens, I personally would take some persuading to use a 1/3" CCD camera instead.

Edited by Brian Drysdale, 29 January 2007 - 04:39 PM.

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#5 Chad Stockfleth

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 05:39 PM

Andy, you're right, I totally spaced. In that case, and since DoF is a concern for you, I might go for the BetaSP. A nice ENG lens, and you'd be set.
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#6 Matthew Buick

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 06:53 PM

I watched the 1990 Narnia TV Program, and the quality was stunning, I suppose age really doesn't matter.

P.S If anyone know this camera model please tell me.
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#7 Igor Trajkovski

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 08:47 PM

Go for the BetaSP.

2/3", shoot wide open, you'll get a decent blurred BG.

IMPORTANT!!!

If you are for a nice movielook,
don't forget to TURN OFF (or lower) edge inhancement.
it screams video! BAD for musicVids, in my oppinion.


Regards

Igor
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#8 Daniel Sheehy

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 09:48 PM

So long as the heads have been well kept, the Beta SP's will give you excellent pictures. However I found the UVW100 to have a slightly noisy picture.
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#9 Matthew Buick

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:32 PM

Go for one with tubes, they gives a softer image and wonderful light trails.
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#10 Sean Morris

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:58 PM

Go for one with tubes, they gives a softer image and wonderful light trails.


<_< I don't know any cameras kicking around these days with tubes all the cameras
listed above are CCD, tubes would be sold on Ebay as junk, nevermind how hard it would be for spares etc.

The BVW would be the choice in my opinion, if in decent condition heads - lens etc, the UVW100 is
a cheap betacam rig ( a poor mans betacam) 1/2 CCD's etc and generally features a cheap lens too.

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#11 Stephen Williams

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 06:11 PM

So long as the heads have been well kept, the Beta SP's will give you excellent pictures. However I found the UVW100 to have a slightly noisy picture.


Hi.

I once got an acceptable picture from a UVW100 by reducing the detail, the noise level then became normal. FWIW the CCD needs loads more light than newer cameras.

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#12 Matthew Buick

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 06:16 PM

<_< I don't know any cameras kicking around these days with tubes all the cameras
listed above are CCD, tubes would be sold on Ebay as junk, nevermind how hard it would be for spares etc.

The BVW would be the choice in my opinion, if in decent condition heads - lens etc, the UVW100 is
a cheap betacam rig ( a poor mans betacam) 1/2 CCD's etc and generally features a cheap lens too.

Cheers
Sean


Oh nuts, I was looking for one with tubes.

Do you think if I could just find three tubes I wouldn't ever have to look for more again?
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#13 Andy_Alderslade

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 06:28 AM

Thanks for all the advice everyone, managed to get a Sony DSR570 for the right money.

But now I know the BVW610 is a decent camera its good a option for longer narrative projects as they're so cheap to rent.

Cheers Everyone,
Andy
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#14 Matthew Buick

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 08:29 AM

Thanks for all the advice everyone, managed to get a Sony DSR570 for the right money.



Wow, isn't the DSR570 digital?
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#15 David Auner aac

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 08:34 AM

Thanks for all the advice everyone, managed to get a Sony DSR570 for the right money.

But now I know the BVW610 is a decent camera its good a option for longer narrative projects as they're so cheap to rent.

Cheers Everyone,
Andy


Hi Andy,

I have shot with the 570 WSP and I really love it. But IMHO the head on the BVW isn't just decent, it's really good, if the camera was well handled and not mistreated in the past. But as for hassles in post (maybe having to rent a machine or rent a larger deck, I'd also go with DVCAM on small tapes, since it's easy to get a DVCAM to capture the stuff from. And the tapes are cheaper as well. Good luck with your shot & tell us how it went.

Cheers, Dave
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