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#1 Super 8 guy

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 09:29 AM

I have recently purchased two consumer grade Super 8mm cameras, The Kodak XL33 and the Sears Reflex Zoom XL. Both sound like the motors are running but neither actually pick up film. I can't get either camera to have the plastic piece that winds the film to move. Any ideas? I know this is vague but hopefully enough info for someone to help out. Thanks
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#2 David W Scott

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 04:31 PM

IIRC, the Kodak's had a plastic drive gear that would simply disintegrate over time.

I also inherited a Sears that was similarly "drive challenged."

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#3 Terry Mester

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Posted 15 February 2007 - 09:57 PM

Does the CLUTCH in the Camera actually TURN counter-clockwise? Do you see the SPROCKET in the Film Gate moving up and down? Both of these parts are necessary for the Film to successfully advance.
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Posted 15 February 2007 - 10:18 PM

I have recently purchased two consumer grade Super 8mm cameras, The Kodak XL33 and the Sears Reflex Zoom XL. Both sound like the motors are running but neither actually pick up film. ...

The XL33 is one of the notorious Kodak cameras that has a rubbery plastic (or plastic-y rubber) gear on the motor that turns to powder with age. This same defective material afflicts the slide change linkage on early model Carousel slide projectors.

The only Kodak super-8 cameras that are safe to buy are the original M2 and M4 (and maybe other lower M number, maybe 6 and 8?) ones from 1965, and maybe the first Hawkeye Instamatic, which have Nylon or Delrin gears throughout and are likely to run forever.
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#5 Terry Mester

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 01:42 AM

The XL33 is one of the notorious Kodak cameras that has a rubbery plastic (or plastic-y rubber) gear on the motor that turns to powder with age. This same defective material afflicts the slide change linkage on early model Carousel slide projectors. ...


It's too bad that Kodak chose to make only cheap S8 cameras. Their still photography cameras were also generally not top quality. I don't know why they wouldn't want to offer a top quality line of cameras. I was wondering what you might know about Sankyo Cameras. I have a Super CM400 which is very well built. Do you know if its Gears are made of steel? I also have an Argus Camera with a defective 'Auto Aperture'. Do you know how I should go about taking the Lens off to fix it? I haven't attempted it for fear of breaking it.
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#6 Matthew Buick

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 03:53 PM

I have a Sankyo CME 1100 and it's built like a tank, many times I've dropped it and it's just shrugged it off, I'm pretty sure the gears are metal, otherwise, why would it weigh so much.
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 04:40 PM

... I was wondering what you might know about Sankyo Cameras. I have a Super CM400 which is very well built. ...


Sorry, I am not an expert on all possible cameras and don't know the answer. I have taken Kodak cameras and slide projectors apart when they quit working to investigate why.
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#8 Terry Mester

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 02:33 AM

I have a Sankyo CME 1100 and it's built like a tank, many times I've dropped it and it's just shrugged it off, ...


I think I'd suffer a heart attack if I ever dropped my precious Camera. Dropping is probably what happened to my Argus. This is why I wouldn't want to pay more than $40 dollars for a used Camera.
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