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#1 Antonio Bunt

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:03 PM

Hi, any thoughts or comments about the Ikonoskop Swedish Super 16 camera?
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#2 Martin Yernazian

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 06:46 PM

Hi, any thoughts or comments about the Ikonoskop Swedish Super 16 camera?


Antonio, 6000 $ for a camera non reflex that can only load 100 feet ?
I prefer a good 30 year old cam that is been converted and welll kept

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#3 adam berk

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:50 PM

I could see the A-Cam definitely being super useful for things like skate videos, ski video, snowboarding, etc etc.... other than that though, hmmmmm.
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Posted 22 February 2007 - 08:01 PM

Hi, any thoughts or comments about the Ikonoskop Swedish Super 16 camera?

I think it's good for special applications where you need a small and lightweight camera, such as helmetmount, freehand style for skatebardmovies and other sportstuff, etc...

or simply a camera small enough to have allways with you for spontaneous filming...that's what I do with my bolex but it's not always confortable to have it your trouser pocket

If it's for more classic applications with dialog etc.., I'd get something like a secondhand ACL II, CP-GSMO, an old Aaton etc...

I never used a ikonoskop but I'd like to have one...(If I only were rich)
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#5 Sir Alvin Ekarma

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 09:34 PM

For 2k, you could get a tricked out S16 Kinor (if it ever turns up again)....
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#6 Antonio Bunt

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 11:37 PM

Well, I thought about it for a trip to the Vietnamese and Cambodian jungle. What pisses me a little is the WIDE 9mm. Or I should move to Super 8?
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#7 Martin Yernazian

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 01:46 AM

Super 8 is kind a cool, but I think you shouldn't blow the posssiblity of Super 16 just like that

There are a lot of cameras out there that are small enough that they will be ok

Kinor S-16
K-3 ( you may find one that is converted)
Eclair ACL 2 ( this cam is great for what you want and you can use both 200 and 400 feet)
Bolex H converted to S 16

you can find a lot of Super 16 cameras much eaiser today , because of the digital revolution.

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#8 Dan Salzmann

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 07:17 AM

+1 on the modded ACL II.
If you are going to be in the jungle perhaps a spring wound Bolex would be good if you don't have to do sync sound or shots longer than approx. 20 secs long because batteries are not an issue.
I would suggest reg 16mm before turning to super8.
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#9 Antonio Bunt

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Posted 27 February 2007 - 08:40 PM

In fact, all my experience is on 16 mm and I turned to Super 8 just for the fun of it. I've never shot Super 16 before. I just love film and I don't want to shoot video on this trip.
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#10 Dennis Kisilyov

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Posted 28 February 2007 - 09:56 AM

I think it's good for special applications where you need a small and lightweight camera, such as helmetmount,


I'd be afraid of mounting that thing on my head, It, just like the K-3 and Kinor 16 look like they can snap someone's neck off if things were to go wrong.

I'd go with a Scoopic for that kind of stuff.

Incidentally, why has no-one made a cheaper 50ft. Super 16 crash cam?


And though I would love to support independent camera makers (The non-oligopoly kind..) , I don't know where the 6k price tag for a non-reflex, 100 day load camera comes from either....


EDIT: I take that back, It looks to be about the same size as the Scoopic, yeah I guess it's useful for helmet mount.

Edited by Dennis Kisilyov, 28 February 2007 - 09:58 AM.

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#11 steve hyde

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 02:08 AM

....I was considering this for a project, but ended up using a Bell and Howell Filmo instead. I put an Angenieux 17-68 with a dogleg finder on it. (this lens covers S16). However I never film tested the system. As you can see in the photos below, it was sort of cobbled together. Notice the baby-bottle nipple eyepiece. I was going to black that out and put a chamois on it.... Eclair ACL with the 200ft mag sounds like a better option to me..



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...if you are considering super 8 as an alternative, you might want to consider something like a regular 16mm B&H Filmo. They are really quite extraordinary and robust little clockwork cameras. And they are not delicate.
It is very liberating to not worry about batteries. ... a very good option for travelogue stuff..

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 02:14 AM

I'd love to have an a-cam. They are a bit pricey for the amount of features they offer but the small size is the selling point for me.
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#13 Dennis Kisilyov

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 06:10 PM

I think it would be more with-in reach if the Euro traded 1:1 with the USD. :-(.

Same for ARRI and others....


Ikonoscop shoot sync sound?
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#14 Antonio Bunt

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 10:16 PM

Hey Steve Hyde! Where did you get that amazing lens??? Even the baby bottle nipple looks great!
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#15 steve hyde

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Posted 28 March 2007 - 11:04 PM

...Baby bottle nipples can be found at any drug store ;) ... the dogleg Angenieux 17 -68 lenses are around. They tend to go for about $600.00. + or - (try ebay) If someone offered me 600. for mine, I'd consider selling it since I haven't used it since the project I bought it for 6 months ago and don't have plans for it at the moment.

They are pretty nice since they cover S16.

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I think it would be more with-in reach if the Euro traded 1:1 with the USD. :-(.

Same for ARRI and others....
Ikonoscop shoot sync sound?



I think it shoots 24fps sync, but not crystal..

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#16 Antonio Bunt

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Posted 29 March 2007 - 09:56 PM

So, in theory, can I shoot dialogue in sync?
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#17 Martin Yernazian

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Posted 31 March 2007 - 02:08 PM

You can't sync the dialogue... you can shoot it and do a different effect.... but that's about it

save that money... buy an eclair ACL, cheaper more reliable and you can shoot all teh sync dialogue you want , also 200' to 400, plenty of people do conversions of that cam, to S16, Pl mount and so on...


Please do us all a favor and don't waste your money


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