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#1 Eirik Tyrihjel

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 08:00 PM

Still not many details on specs, but its a whole range of things...

http://red.com/pricelist.htm
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#2 Carl Brighton

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 08:56 PM

Still not many details on specs, but its a whole range of things...

http://red.com/pricelist.htm


RED ONE POWER PACK$1,650Includes:
2 x RED BRICK&trade 140Ah Batteries
RED CHARGER
Camera - Charger LEMO Cable (10 ft)


RED BRICK 140Ah Battery $450
RED CHARGER $750
Includes:
Camera - Charger LEMO Cable (10 ft)

A 140 A/H battery pack? Chrissake; what does it weigh?
And you get TWO plus the charger plus a LEMO cable for $1,650?!

F*ck the camera; when can I order some batteries! :blink:
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#3 Chris Kenny

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 09:06 PM

A 140 A/H battery pack? Chrissake; what does it weigh?
And you get TWO plus the charger plus a LEMO cable for $1,650?!

F*ck the camera; when can I order some batteries! :blink:


Heh. I'd assume that's a typo for 140 Wh (presumably at 14.4V). Still pretty good pricing.

Edited by Chris Kenny, 12 March 2007 - 09:07 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2007 - 09:24 PM

And if the viewfinder is 720p as previously mentioned, Red might sell a decent number of those to non-Red owners, assuming it's not proprietary.

Anyway, it looks like if you're a reservation holder, you can get a nice package (sans lenses, of course) for under $22K:

Camera ($17,500)
Basic Production Pack ($1,250)
Power Pack ($1,650)
EVF ($2,950)
Red Drive ($900)

$24,250 - $2500 (bonus for reservation holders) = $21,750.

Add the $500 Nikon mount and a couple of Nikon primes, and you could be shooting 4K for under $25K. Yes, we've been over all of the downsides to a setup like this vs. accessorizing with an set of Master Primes, a $4K matte box, etc, but it's still pretty incredible.
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Posted 12 March 2007 - 10:39 PM

Heh. I'd assume that's a typo for 140 Wh (presumably at 14.4V). Still pretty good pricing.

You could be right. Graeme Nattress thinks it is meant to be 140 Watt-hours.
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#6 Chris Kenny

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 12:36 AM

Carl, they've corrected the page to 140 Wh.

More viewfinder details: switchable color or B&W, has "SurroundView" (see outside of frame like an optical viewfinder when shooting 4K or below), does not work with other cameras (it's integrated with the on-camera image processing hardware).

The options for using various types of off-the-shelf flash memory are great. Anyone who has been buying P2 cards at 6x the market price for flash memory will certainly welcome that! You'll have to be careful to buy stuff that's fast enough, though, because only some of the newer stuff is. Red also plans to sell Red-branded flash at competitive prices.
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#7 Carl Brighton

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 04:24 AM

Carl, they've corrected the page to 140 Wh.

Damn, I really thought Jannard had something there :rolleyes:

I'm glad everybody here has beem able to restrain their excitement over the the publication of a price list! Anyone would think it was Windows 95 or something. To read the posts on reduser.net you'd think Jesus was coming for the second time, and I don't even think he's breathing heavily yet.

You'll have to be careful to buy stuff that's fast enough, though, because only some of the newer stuff is. Red also plans to sell Red-branded flash at competitive prices.

I think what would be a really nifty idea is a module with a whole lot of USB sockets on it so you you could use whatever flash drives you had to hand or could get cheap. Or a module with standard ATA hard drive sockets so you could do the same thing with whatever second-hand hard drives you could rustle up.

And I know this is blasphemy, but a plain old HD tape interface would still make a lot of sense.

Edited by Carl Brighton, 13 March 2007 - 04:25 AM.

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#8 Gunleik Groven

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 05:33 AM

And I know this is blasphemy, but a plain old HD tape interface would still make a lot of sense.


Can't you connect that through HD-SDI?
Both Panny and Sony's decks + a multitude of HD-solutions can.

Or did I miss something?

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#9 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 07:22 AM

Add the $500 Nikon mount and a couple of Nikon primes, and you could be shooting 4K for under $25K. Yes, we've been over all of the downsides to a setup like this vs. accessorizing with an set of Master Primes, a $4K matte box, etc, but it's still pretty incredible.


Spending only 10% of your camera purchase on lenses isn't a good a good idea unless you're planning to mostly to rent - it's way out of proportion. You'd spend a higher proportion on lenses for a stills camera purchase.

In the UK the high end Nikon lenses with wide apertures cost £850 to £1000 each and you'd usually get a set of 4 focal lengths. Of course, nothing to stop you buying second hand lenses off e-bay.
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#10 Chris Kenny

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:17 AM

Spending only 10% of your camera purchase on lenses isn't a good a good idea unless you're planning to mostly to rent - it's way out of proportion. You'd spend a higher proportion on lenses for a stills camera purchase.


Sure, you'd be using stills camera lenses on a body that costs more than a stills camera body, so it stands to reason.

In the UK the high end Nikon lenses with wide apertures cost £850 to £1000 each and you'd usually get a set of 4 focal lengths. Of course, nothing to stop you buying second hand lenses off e-bay.


I can't speak for pricing there, but the most expensive F-mount lens in the B&H inventory (excluding large telephotos) is Nikon's 17-35mm 2.8 zoom, at ~$1500. Zeiss F-mount primes are $600-1200 each, a fair bit less than £850-1000 ($1600-1900). There's a forum over at Reduser where Nikon lenses are being reviewed with an eye toward using them with Red (using a Nikon D2X, which has a sensor of similar width and resolution). Some hold up pretty well, particularly if you can get away with stopping down to f4.

As I've said, not ideal, but someone is going to go this route and probably get decent results.
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#11 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:38 AM

Some hold up pretty well, particularly if you can get away with stopping down to f4.


Hi Chris,

That's a luxury I don't often get. Remember 1 extra stop is double the light, that extra stop may double the lighting budget, especially if generators are then needed!

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#12 Chris Kenny

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 09:45 AM

That's a luxury I don't often get. Remember 1 extra stop is double the light, that extra stop may double the lighting budget, especially if generators are then needed!


We still don't know how far the camera's ISO can be pushed without unacceptable noise, so it's hard to say exactly how much of a problem this will be. Probably wouldn't be fun to do outdoor night shoots, but you can always rent some Superspeeds for a couple of days.
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#13 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 10:13 AM

US prices for camera gear are always lower than UK and the price I was quoting included the VAT, I'm not sure if B & H's prices include the sales tax. I was looking at lenses like the Nikon 85mm f1.4, which costs around $1.000 in B & H.

Nice thing about the primes is being able to shoot at f2 to f2.8 (sometimes f1.4) and having sharp images.
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#14 chuck colburn

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 10:45 AM

Oh Steven stop whining. Just shoot everything at 1.2 on an 85 or better yet a 135.
Don't you know it's the way it's done nowadays?

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#15 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:11 AM

Oh Steven stop whining. Just shoot everything at 1.2 on an 85 or better yet a 135.
Don't you know it's the way it's done nowadays?

Chuck


Hi Chuck,

I usually try to work wide open or nearly so, just the focus pullers I get to work with have slight problems with that!

Stephen
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:27 AM

How did this once again get transformed into a discussion of still lenses on the RED? The price list is actually quite interesting to me. There prices are quite competitive and the package appears to be evolving into a complete system effectively. And by incorporating the drivers into the camera itself they were able to make the viewfinder much less expensive than I thought realistically possible. Very interesting.
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#17 chuck colburn

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:29 AM

Stephen,

Well you know what they say in Hollyweird, "If you can't do the job we can get someone in here who can"
Oh by the way I'm not availble for those shoots. lol

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#18 Stephen Williams

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:50 AM

Stephen,

Well you know what they say in Hollyweird, "If you can't do the job we can get someone in here who can"
Oh by the way I'm not availble for those shoots. lol

Chuck


Hi Chuck,

There are only about 6 good focus pullers, and probably the same no of good Gaffers in Switzerland, so I'm screwed if I can't do it myself!

Stephen
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#19 Brian Drysdale

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Posted 13 March 2007 - 11:58 AM

How did this once again get transformed into a discussion of still lenses on the RED? The price list is actually quite interesting to me. There prices are quite competitive and the package appears to be evolving into a complete system effectively. And by incorporating the drivers into the camera itself they were able to make the viewfinder much less expensive than I thought realistically possible. Very interesting.


It's the system aspect which does make it an interesting package. I expect people will decide on how they want to putting together their system and will compare prices and workflows with the other cameras in this price bracket.

Interesting question on CML about the batteries and if they're too large a capacity for air travel because of the fire hazard.

In reality, most people tend to shoot more with zoom lenses, usually driven by the production schedule and budget. I suspect quite a lot of REDs will be configured for 2k rather than 4k because of this, regardless of the 4k marketing.
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Posted 13 March 2007 - 01:11 PM

And if the viewfinder is 720p as previously mentioned, Red might sell a decent number of those to non-Red owners, assuming it's not proprietary.


indeed it is proprietary.. red cameras only
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