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#1 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 04:39 AM

I have a Kinor 35H which is suppose to be the Russian...let us say version :rolleyes: of the Moviecam Super American. I was just wondering what are your thoughts on the Moviecams. I hear Arri and Panavision even Mitchells bandied about here often but very few people mention the Moviecam or the Éclair Camaflex which is what the communists stol...ah...were inspired by, when they cop....er, "designed" the other camera I own a Konvas. Though the Reds were "inspired" to creat their own versions of both the Arri 2C and the Mitchell they seemed to have better luck with "inpired' versions of these cameras. One can't help but ask why when the Arris, Mitchells and Panavisions are so much more popular here. So what are your thoughts, impressions, loves and gripes about these cameras, the Moviecams and the Elcairs? B)

Edited by James Steven Beverly, 15 April 2007 - 04:40 AM.

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#2 Camillo Foramitti

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 05:42 AM

I still believe that the Moviecam Compact is the perfect feature film camera. It has everything you need and no useless fancy stuff. It's a shame they don't develop new cameras anymore.
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#3 Stephen Williams

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 05:44 AM

It's a shame they don't develop new cameras anymore.


Hi,

They did, it's called the Arricam!

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#4 Camillo Foramitti

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 10:46 AM

Hi,

They did, it's called the Arricam!

Stephen



Yes, but this is the last one. That's what I meant to say. All they do anymore ist modify and repair old Moviecams and develop some minor stuff for the Arricams.
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#5 David Mullen ASC

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 10:52 AM

I think he was answering your question about why they don't develop new Moviecams -- they do, they are just called Arricams. It's the same designer, Fritz Bauer. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arricam
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#6 Max Jacoby

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Posted 15 April 2007 - 08:44 PM

Moviecams are very handholdeable cameras, at least the SL and the Compact. In that aspect they are better than the Arri cameras released at the same time (535A and 535B). It's only with the Arricam Lt that Arri developped a better handheld camera.

The Super America is a bit heavier than the Compact. We used one at filmschool, but I have never seen one on a professional set. It's still a very serviceable camera though.
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#7 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 12:05 AM

The Super America is a bit heavier than the Compact. We used one at filmschool, but I have never seen one on a professional set. It's still a very serviceable camera though.


Why do you think that is?
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#8 Stephen Williams

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 01:42 AM

The Super America is a bit heavier than the Compact. We used one at filmschool, but I have never seen one on a professional set. It's still a very serviceable camera though.


Hi Max,

There are 2 available to rent in CH out of about 5 sync sound cameras. (Excluding my 2 Ultracams)
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#9 Max Jacoby

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 08:36 AM

Why do you think that is?

Don't get me wrong, they are still very serviceable cameras, but most films that I have been involved with had the money to get the latest gear. The Super America's video assist for instance is not as good as the newest ones and the camera is a bit heavy for handheld.
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#10 Jon Kukla

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 08:56 AM

I'd say it's sorta like the 35BL - it's not that it's a bad camera, it's just that it's been around so long that plenty of new options have come around since. Truth is that the SA is not that different from the Compact aside from what's already been mentioned.
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#11 Leo Anthony Vale

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 02:12 PM

The Super America is a bit heavier than the Compact. We used one at filmschool, but I have never seen one on a professional set. It's still a very serviceable camera though.


One was used as a prop camera in 'For Your Consideration'.


I have a Kinor 35H which is suppose to be the Russian...let us say version :rolleyes: of the Moviecam Super American.


There are some styling simularities, but the mirror shutter is in a vertical position, while the Moviecam's is in a horizontal position. & the viewfinders are different. I don't know about the movement though.

So it's not a direct steal.


Ages ago I heard from Austin McKinney, if I remember correctly, that the soviets invested in developing Moviecam. But that might only have been a rumor.

Edited by Leo Anthony Vale, 16 April 2007 - 02:13 PM.

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#12 Adam Frisch FSF

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 05:03 PM

I really like the Moviecams. And as mentioned, the SL is still one of the lightest and best sync sound cameras around. The Moviecams 5-link pulldown system was also always much superior to Arri's. So superior, thet they copied it (this was before they owned Moviecam) for the BL4s and all the subsequent cameras. Threading the Moviecams was also much easier than doing any Arri up until the new ArriCam.

Great cameras.

The Kinor does however not share anything in common with the Moviecam except in its exterior looks. The Kinor has a Mitchell-movement and a complicted electrical tension-takeup design (that didn't work very well). They're more like Panavision cameras internally.
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#13 Stuart Brereton

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 05:08 PM

The Super America is a bit heavier than the Compact. We used one at filmschool, but I have never seen one on a professional set.


'Brassed Off' (1996) was shot with a Super America. We had a BL4 as B camera.
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#14 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 10:27 PM

I love the Moviecam SL. It's one of my favorite cameras, both for handheld and steadicam. I haven't used a Compact, so I can't comment, but I know many people like the Compact just as much as the SL.
Some people say the SL is too loud. I haven't experienced any problems with noise, but I know that some SL's are louder than others.
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#15 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 16 April 2007 - 11:13 PM

I know they also shot Band of Brothers on a Super American.
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#16 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 03:08 AM

I know they also shot Band of Brothers on a Super American.

I don't think that's correct.
The camera in this picture
looks like a 535. Also, IMDB lists the cameras used as the 535b and the Moviecam SL, but I think we all know IMDB is wrong sometimes.
By the way, it's name is "Super America" not "Super American".
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#17 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 04:01 AM

I don't think that's correct.
The camera in this picture
looks like a 535. Also, IMDB lists the cameras used as the 535b and the Moviecam SL, but I think we all know IMDB is wrong sometimes.
By the way, it's name is "Super America" not "Super American".


So it is.

Just so I don't make anymore mistakes:

1. All the Real Girls (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
2. Aquarios (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America, Zeiss Lenses
3. Aurora (1998)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
4. Big Daddy (1999/II)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
5. Chalk (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
6. Dr. Kleinensteinen (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America, Zeiss Super Speed Lenses
7. George Washington (2000)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
8. Ontgoocheling, De (2006)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
9. Sentimental Education (1998)
Camera: Moviecam Super America Mark II, Carl Zeiss Prime Lenses
10. Skin Deep (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
11. Skvira (2004)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
12. Stonecutter, The (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
(Source IMDB)
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#18 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 12:58 PM

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but like I said before, IMDB is not always right, which is why I always attempt to find proof, such as a picture, to back up what I read on IMDB.
Here's a picture from Big Daddy.
The Super America is a good camera, but I think people prefer the Compact and SL because of their smaller size and lighter weight.
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#19 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:17 PM

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but like I said before, IMDB is not always right, which is why I always attempt to find proof, such as a picture, to back up what I read on IMDB.
Here's a picture from Big Daddy.

Also correct:

1. All the Real Girls (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
2. Aquarios (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America, Zeiss Lenses
3. Aurora (1998)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
5. Chalk (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
6. Dr. Kleinensteinen (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America, Zeiss Super Speed Lenses
7. George Washington (2000)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
8. Ontgoocheling, De (2006)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
9. Sentimental Education (1998)
Camera: Moviecam Super America Mark II, Carl Zeiss Prime Lenses
10. Skin Deep (2001)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
11. Skvira (2004)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
12. Stonecutter, The (2003)
Camera: Moviecam Super America
(Source IMDB)

anything else you want to correct?
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#20 Brad Grimmett

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 01:16 AM

anything else you want to correct?

I'm sensing some acrimony. I guess if you don't want to be corrected you shouldn't post false information. It took me all of 10 seconds to find those pictures.
On the other hand, I've noticed that your spelling has improved quite a bit. Good for you. We're all very proud of you.
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