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#1 Lana Loukota

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 08:34 PM

I'm a beginning AD, my friend is directing his first movie this summer, and I am an actress, AD, and doing costuming and makeup..
I've done make-up for stage productions, and in a play, all characters, male and female, require quite a bit of makeup. But I have no idea how to even begin with doing makeup for a movie. Do all actors need full makeup? Can anyone recommend a book?
This is a movie set in contemporary times, and no one will need any special effects makeup; we just want a natural look, and I'm not sure what film requires. The movie will be no-budget :lol: and shot on canon DVRs :wacko: (our director is a college student). Please give me some input!!!
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#2 Jonathan Bowerbank

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 10:26 PM

I'm far from being a specialist in makeup...but basically, you want to completely match their skintone and discuss with the DP & Director whether a little shine/glisten is fine or what...
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#3 Douglas Hunter

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 11:41 PM

Most shows do a hair and makeup test before shooting. Since you are new, looking at the monitor on set and talking to the director & DP about what looks right for the role (and in different lighting setups) is probably as good a starting place as any. Take a close look at your work in the CUs and meds. How you do the makeup can be very different from one actor to another.
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#4 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 04:10 AM

Here's some DVDs on the subject:

www.customflix.com/Customer/VideoShopCategory.jsp?id=101

And here are some on-line tutorials:

www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getamoviemakeupkit.php

www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIhoWOcfng (there are more on Youtube listed beside this particular one)

www.ulinkx.com/tag/makeup

www.365halloween.com/halloween-costumes/zombie-costume.php

www.faceart.com/makeup/tips/articles/faceart/index.php

beauty.expertvillage.com/videos/makeup-brushes.htm

sheknows.com/channels/beauty.htm

www.makeup.eyebeautytips.com

www.flawlesscomplexion.com/makeuptricks.html


And for the more exotic makeup teckniques:

www.sapsema.org/tipsmain.html

www.michaeldavy.com/howto/howto_index.html

beauty.iloveindia.com/makeup/special-effects.html

usersites.horrorfind.com/home/halloween/lilacsgarden/lorestips.html

www.expertvillage.com/interviews/halloween-makeup-tips.htm

stageandtheatermakeup.com/3DList.htm

www.theatrixcostumehouse.com/Resources/Articles_and_Tips/Makeup/Makeup_Tips_for_Cuts,_Bruises.html

www.jushhome.com/AmMoviePort/links.asp?CatId=162

Incidentally, the trick with men's makeup is to look as though there is no makeup on what so ever. B)
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#5 Trevor Swaim

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 10:27 AM

IMHO a little bronzing on most caucasian skin tones helps unless they are very pale, such as redheads. African skintones can be tricky as the skin tend to be a little shinier and, i think, tends to show any make up more clearly. The best thing to do as has been posted is to just shoot some tests and see that looks best. If it looks good it is right.
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#6 Tony Brown

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:09 AM

Why not get somebody involved who is studying make up for a living? How many people do you want to put out of work? How the hell can you do your job as an AD if you are playing at acting / costume & make up?

You are not being fair to your 'friend' - it will be a disaster.
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#7 Francesco Bonomo

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 07:59 PM

How the hell can you do your job as an AD if you are playing at acting / costume & make up?


I absolutely agree with Tony, especially if you want to be a serious A.D.

Start now, be professional even on no-budget shorts made with cheap cameras and small crews, and that will eventually take you somewhere because you will get more and more experience as an a.d., experience you'll lack if you try and put too many hats on.
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#8 Lana Loukota

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Posted 20 May 2007 - 09:03 PM

Thanks to everyone for your help!
I did some experiments with the actors, the camera, various lightings, and a large amount of makeup, and the director and I have just about got this whole makeup thing figured out!
here's another question: About how many uses can you get from a 1 oz bottle of makeup??? Any clue??
Thanks,
Lana
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#9 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 12:26 AM

Well how much were you using in the tests? It's kinda a nebulas question, it completely depends on how you're using the makeup, what type of makeup it is, how often it has to be touched up ect. Your tests will tell you about how much you use per aplication and you can exsrtapilate from there. Give yourself about +20% leaway and you should be OK. Why don't you post some stills of the work, I'd be curious to see what you came up with. B)
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#10 Daniel Smith

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 05:50 PM

Here's some DVDs on the subject:

www.customflix.com/Customer/VideoShopCategory.jsp?id=101

And here are some on-line tutorials:

www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getamoviemakeupkit.php

www.stormforcepictures.com/howto-getthatfilmlook.php

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyIhoWOcfng (there are more on Youtube listed beside this particular one)

www.ulinkx.com/tag/makeup

www.365halloween.com/halloween-costumes/zombie-costume.php

www.faceart.com/makeup/tips/articles/faceart/index.php

beauty.expertvillage.com/videos/makeup-brushes.htm

sheknows.com/channels/beauty.htm

www.makeup.eyebeautytips.com

www.flawlesscomplexion.com/makeuptricks.html
And for the more exotic makeup teckniques:

www.sapsema.org/tipsmain.html

www.michaeldavy.com/howto/howto_index.html

beauty.iloveindia.com/makeup/special-effects.html

usersites.horrorfind.com/home/halloween/lilacsgarden/lorestips.html

www.expertvillage.com/interviews/halloween-makeup-tips.htm

stageandtheatermakeup.com/3DList.htm

www.theatrixcostumehouse.com/Resources/Articles_and_Tips/Makeup/Makeup_Tips_for_Cuts,_Bruises.html

www.jushhome.com/AmMoviePort/links.asp?CatId=162

Incidentally, the trick with men's makeup is to look as though there is no makeup on what so ever. B)

Wooaahh.. I bet you never had acne as a teenager..

Edited by Daniel Ashley-Smith, 21 May 2007 - 05:51 PM.

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#11 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 07:57 PM

Wooaahh.. I bet you never had acne as a teenager..


Sure I did, how do ya think I learned about all this? :rolleyes: Makeup is a vital part f our business, it can help an actor define a charature the moment the audience see them, so a man's gotta know how ta put on his makeup :D The greatest was of course Lon Chaney. You want see a real genus at work and how makeup can define a charature, watch some of his old movies, you will stand in awe!

Edited by James Steven Beverly, 21 May 2007 - 08:00 PM.

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#12 Lana Loukota

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 11:06 PM

Why don't you post some stills of the work, I'd be curious to see what you came up with.


I just might do that soon, after we do some work with lighting also, and if I can figure out how ;)

Yeah, I guess I can do some simple extrapolations... (duh, why didn't I think of that?)

Speaking of acne, the first actor I tested make-up on was like "wow, I look GOOD without acne!" lol :P
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#13 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 02:07 AM

It's real simple, Go to a free web photo hosting site like photobucket, (in my personal opinion, the best one out there: photobucket.com ) and sign up, then upload the pics you want to post. Once they're uploaded, copy the IMG code by clicking on the words "IMG code" beside the box with the actual code which will automatically copy the code for you, then paste it in your post like this:

Posted Image

You will see the code written out but when you click on Add Reply at the bottom, the pic will appear

Photo Bucket is taking on the bandwidth so we don't have to expend it here, on this forum (How that actually works, I have no idea, I mean it's the same sized photo as in your Photo Bucket album, doesn't seem to make sense but that's computers for ya). I didn't know how to do this for the longest time and it messed me up so I'm emparting this hard learned lesson to you and anyone else out there that DOESN'T already know this to save you massive amounts of grief, I hope that's clear, if not just ask and I'll try to explain it more clearly. B)

Oh, this is my demon cat Sam BTW, he's my famillure (just kidding....MAYBE after seeing this piture it's hard to tell), co-pilot and a very cool charature. :)

Edited by James Steven Beverly, 22 May 2007 - 02:11 AM.

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#14 Michael Collier

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:08 AM

One thing I encountered on a short once was the makeup girl would look at the makeup under the sets lights. The problem was I had harsh toplight for dramatic reasons, and she was concerned that the makeup didn't flatter him under that light and wanted me to change the lights. Make up for film (like for stage) is not meant to always flatter. Sometimes its the opposite.

Try and gear your work towards what the DP is going for. talk with them about the look of the light as it may relate to makeup. I don't ever give explicit instruction, but will occasionaly say, emphasize the bags in the eyes, double chin, etc, and then it would be up to you to interpret what that means. I don't think many DPs really have a good working knowlege of makeup technique, even at its most basic level.

also don't push makeup as far as stage goes. Stage your trying to reach the back audience. In film your upclose and personal. Sometimes even closer than you would normaly see someone, if you stood at average conversation distance. Less is usually better (I really only notice makeup when its too much, and distracts me)
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Posted 22 May 2007 - 03:45 PM

Here's a random thought on this:

What's the deal with having actors whose lips are the same color as their face? I've noticed this on TV, and in a few movies (Boondock Saints, Scrubs). It draws my attention to the makeup. Is it supposed to look natural? It doesn't! Real people have color in their lips; yes even guys!
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#16 James Steven Beverly

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Posted 22 May 2007 - 11:28 PM

Here's a random thought on this:

What's the deal with having actors whose lips are the same color as their face? I've noticed this on TV, and in a few movies (Boondock Saints, Scrubs). It draws my attention to the makeup. Is it supposed to look natural? It doesn't! Real people have color in their lips; yes even guys!


The only reason I could see is if you wanted a stylized look, Boondock Saints maybe... I could possibly see the logic though I would disagree with it but Scrubs?! Bad makeup artist pure and simple.
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