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#1 Jamie McIntyre

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 04:03 AM

I am a student and i REALLY want a 16mm camera. Just to grab it, stick some stock in it and go and shoot!

What do you think?

Is it worth it? Does it look like a scam?

Cheers,

Jamie McIntyre.

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem
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#2 Jamie McIntyre

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 04:57 AM

* Off Topic *

http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

hahahahaha, read the description.

10,000 FPS?

Erm....... :lol:
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#3 Nate Downes

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 06:09 AM

Read the description. Sounds like he has the real thing to me. (used a Wollensak 5,000 fps camera for one FX shot once)
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#4 Paul Maibaum ASC

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 06:23 AM

No lens, matte box, follow focus, base plate, filters, tripod, head and you may need to invest in another ground glass (TV/16x9). I mention the above to bring to your attention that you will need to make a further investment before you can "just stick some stock in it and go and shoot".
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#5 Logan Schneider

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 11:52 AM

The SR-2 looks like a good camera. I would recommend that, before you buy, you make a business plan. If you buy this camera you will need:

A lens (with lens shade until you can afford a matte box)
A tripod and head

You're looking at $10000 more. After that, the accessories can add up forever. (lens light, $200. That comes last). It might be better to look around and find a complete package so that you don't spend years trying to buy "just one more" piece of equipment.

If you are serious about becoming a DP and a businessman, then this may be a good purchase. Just be aware of what you are getting into.

Since I bought my SR3 it has gotten me a lot of experience and made a fair amount of money back. So it can work. Good luck.
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#6 Mitch Gross

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 12:24 PM

Not to be pushing myself, but hey, here goes.

As noted in the above comments, you'll need a lot more gear to make this camera complete. Why not consider an already complete camera package? I have my Aaton LTR54 listed in the classified section of this website with a host of lenses and accessories. It is a VERY complete package, same vintage as that SR and factory original for 16/Super-16 as opposed to the modified SR.

Take a look.
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#7 Jamie McIntyre

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 03:07 PM

Hang on a sec.

That high speed camera does not go to 10,000 FPS does it?
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#8 Matthew Buick

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 03:35 PM

Not quite. A more modest 150fps. Some people have said that the high-speed version is a touch noiser than the standard model. I, however can in no way validate these claims.

You definately should buy a complete package. I imagine you'll be able to make some money back by renting it. You may even get jobs because you own such a useful camera. I'm not totally sure about that, though. Ask someone more experienced before buying one on that pretext. It certainly is one heck of an invesment.

Either way, good luck for the future. :)
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#9 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 03:45 PM

I also would not be purchasing precision instruments such as cameras or optics off of eBay, no matter how trustworthy the deal seems...
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#10 Jamie McIntyre

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 04:03 PM

Not quite. A more modest 150fps. Some people have said that the high-speed version is a touch noiser than the standard model. I, however can in no way validate these claims.

You definately should buy a complete package. I imagine you'll be able to make some money back by renting it. You may even get jobs because you own such a useful camera. I'm not totally sure about that, though. Ask someone more experienced before buying one on that pretext. It certainly is one heck of an invesment.

Either way, good luck for the future. :)


Sorry, I didn't mean the Arri SR2. I posted a second link which contained a photosonic high speed camera. The description says it goes to 10,000 fps. I's this even possible?

1000 feet of 16mm would last 4 seconds.
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#11 Matthew Buick

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 04:20 PM

The Photosonics camera can do 10,000 fps. However it will sound somewhat like a chainsaw and will eat up film and power like goodness knows what.
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#12 Jamie McIntyre

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 05:03 PM

The Photosonics camera can do 10,000 fps. However it will sound somewhat like a chainsaw and will eat up film and power like goodness knows what.


Erm.

WOW.

''Hi Kodak, I'm shooting at 10,000 fps. Could you please make a 15,000 foot roll please''

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#13 Matthew Buick

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 05:48 PM

Imagine how much that would cost.
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#14 Jon Kukla

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Posted 01 June 2007 - 11:31 PM

Having just AC'd on a short with an SR2 HS, I can confirm that they are not the quietest of cameras. But the sound guy didn't seem to say anything, so that's fine by me.

I agree that buying a camera just for the convenience doesn't really make sense unless you already have a solid long-term plan for recouping your investment. This isn't a casual purchase, even if it is dirt-cheap. You have to factor in the cost of raw stock, stock development, telecine, maintenance, repair, and the aforementioned purchase of further accs.

Take a solid look at your costs and think about how often you are going to be using this for, and for whom. Unless it's seeing constant action and your clients are ultra-low budget, I think you'll find that rental will be both more affordable and higher-quality. But that's my opinion. Doing quality work on rented cameras should in theory be able to build your showreel, thus winning other projects which will be budgeted enough to rent the camera.

The other factor is that with a rental camera, you have a support system built-in. From the POV of an AC, it's nice to know that I can go over the equipment during prep and ask for an extra splitter, or request another follow focus with less play. And in the field it's good to have experienced and dedicated tech support a phone call away and replacement parts available at no extra charge, should anything suddenly stop working. Which it always will. At the worst time.

But there are others who've had great experiences purchasing kit - so I can't say that it's a terribly wrong choice. It does depend on what you do with it. Ultimately it's a question of philosophy.
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#15 Laurent Andrieux

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 09:06 AM

I've always had in mind the 16 mm photosonics could go up to 1000 fps, not 10000, but I never worked with any of them, though. So who can tell this particular model does ? (They also have 16 mm cameras that go up to 250 and 500 fps).
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#16 Matthew Buick

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Posted 02 June 2007 - 09:31 AM

I've seen many adverts that claim that the Photosonics camera can reach 10,000 fps. They were from perhaps seven different sellers. I was working on the assumption that they knew their salt.
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#17 Bill DiPietra

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Posted 03 June 2007 - 01:54 PM

Jamie,

Not to discourage you from purchasing the SR2, but have you considered an MOS camera, such as the Arri S? Great camera to start off with in my opinion. And you will be able to get plenty of accessories (lenses included) for about half of the price of the SR2 you are looking at.

If you are set on purchasing a sync-sound camera, take a look at an Arri 16 BL. Cheaper and gets the job done quietly (used it for my first 16mm sync sound film in college.)

Good luck.
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Posted 07 August 2017 - 04:03 AM

I've always had in mind the 16 mm photosonics could go up to 1000 fps, not 10000, but I never worked with any of them, though. So who can tell this particular model does ? (They also have 16 mm cameras that go up to 250 and 500 fps).

I worked there for two years in the early 1970's, and since i knew my stuff (i had just left the US Army as an eye ear nose & throat Specialist) they stuck me at a bench to carefully assemble and tune their latest 16mm camera; 1,000 still-frames-a-second with four registration pins and eight pulldown claws. After building four cameras in 18 months of 10 hour days (Bud Führer owned the place) I was moved to the one-man lens department and made the mistake of siding with the new union.

Oh well, grabbed a job off the wall of the unemployment office 'building NASA type models' for $5 an hour in a big empty warehouse at 6842 Valjean Av. in Van Nuys... but never built a model there.


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