"I have a RED on order. Since the beginning I have been vested at #249. Does that make me a fool or an idiot in some peoples eyes?"
Can you point out the posts where I've said everybody who had placed a deposit on a RED is an idiot? I can't seem to find them.
And don't quote people out of context, it just make other people wonder how much of any posting you actually read.
Since I have time on my hands, you're so interested in people, I have my laptop with me, and there is free wireless internet in this lounge, I shall attempt to answer your lengthly and generally incomprehensible post with an even longer, and hopefully more meaningful one! It would appear that you are really only "interested in people" who tell you what you want to hear; sadly I very much fear I will not be one of them.
I don't know what your problem is, but as the old sayings go:
"Any fool can ask a question a wise man can't answer." and
"Just about any fool can be taught to act like a gentleman, but he'll still be an fool," and
"Don't attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig".
And no, I'm not calling you a fool, or a pig...
I think the RED is an amazing piece of technology and its development is set to change visual entertainment industries beyond recognition. There is no question that it works, and it's only a matter of time before Jannard gets it into full production. How much time and how much it will cost him remain to be seen, but since the RED appears to be made mostly out of industry standard computer parts there's every reason to be optimistic that his schedule won't slip too much.
Unfortunately, putting down a deposit on a RED does NOT automatically make you into an amazing person...
What it will NOT do is change the careers and fortunes of a good percentage of the deposit holders, at least in the way they seem to imagine. Simply reading a lot of the drivel that is posted on REDUSER.net (and elsewhere) tells me (and anybody else who has actually been
within two miles of a film set) that a good percentage of the posters/posers there have only the vaguest
idea of how a professional movie, TV show or commercial actually gets made.
As I said on my very first posting here, I am after information on the RED. REAL information, not the pie-in-the-sky guesswork of some amateur dreamer.
The name of that forum says it all actually: "Reduser.net". What
bloody "Red users"? Apart from Jannard, a few of his employees, Peter Jackson and his assistants, who the hell has "used" a RED? Yet if you blundered into that forum by accident and didn't know any better, you'd swear that half the movies in Hollywood were made using it! We keep reading this "Film is Dead!" rubbish; even Jannard has publicly stated on this
forum that the RED does not, and was never designed to, replace 35mm film! There are already plenty of HD video cameras that have been used to make Hollywood blockbusters, yet most people still use film.
Personally I don't think Jannard has done himself much good allowing this "American Idol" Fanboy culture to proliferate. There is a very real danger that up-and-coming but perfectly competent production companies who own REDs, will be discriminated against, because of the sheer number of cowboy outfits that will also spring up, purely on the basis that someone has managed to scare up enough credit to buy a basic RED system.
I rather think it will be something like the situation confronting aspiring rock musicians in the 1970s and 80s. About that time, Ibanez and other Japanese companies were producing extremely good copies of American made Gibson and Fender guitars. My first real job was in a recording studio, and I can assure you that on tape or disc, nobody could pick the difference between the original and a Jap copy. They looked almost identical, they sounded the same and the manufacturing quality was easily as good.
But nobody would take you seriously as a musician unless you had one of the much more expensive original American makes. This almost entirely to weed out time-wasters who'd been given a Les Paul copy last christmas and thought they were musicians. If you've ever watched the DVDs of the initial try-outs for American Idol (or its equivalents) you'll get some appreciation of the way totally talentless people can be utterly convinced they have someting to offer!
And I rather think a similar problem is going to arise with production companies. Unless they can advertise that they've made programs/ads on film or other more expensive acquisition formats, nobody is going to take them seriously, at least not in the initial stages. And saying "Well guess what? That ad was shot with a RED!" isn't going to be particularly helpful either. Every professional can tell you stories of successful commercials that were shot for virtually zero budget in the Account Executive's kitchen or backyard, using supposedly non-broadcast video equipment, which they managed to get transferred to a "proper" broadcast format and nobody noticed. (In the early 1980s quite a few TV spots were done on low-band U-matic videotape, secretly transferred to 1" tape in the wee hours of the morning. I know; I did some of them, and some of them aired for years!:-)
You only have to look at the situation with film festivals. Anything shot on film is automatically going to get a closer scrutiny by the selection committee, simply because it suggests you are more serious about your project, (and probably also becasue the expense of film will make you more careful with your shooting).
Sorry, it's been a nice rant, but I have to cut this short