2 perf vs Super 16mm
Posted 16 June 2007 - 01:15 AM
These are the figures I came up with. I'm going to keep this simple though.
Let's say we plan on shooting 24 400' rolls of 16mm. The 2 perf equivalent would be about 12 1000 foot rolls or 12,000 feet of 35mm. Correct?
Let's say we can get those 24 rolls of 16mm for $100 each and you can get 12,000 feet of 35mm short ends for .20 foot (short ends seem great for 2 perf). This would come out to:
24 rolls 16mm=$2400
12,000' 35mm short ends=$2,400
If my math isn't off, the cost for film is the same here.
Now to develop, I know a place that processes for .10 foot.
process 12,000 feet short ends=$1200
process 9,600 feet 16mm=approx $1000
Not a huge difference.
Transfer approx 6 hours run time to Digibeta @ 300/hr=$1,800
Total cost Super 16=$5,200
Total cost 2 perf 35mm=$5,400
Again. No DI or print is needed. We just want to go straight to Digibeta.
Is the difference really this small? I realize that 2 perf cameras are hard to come by at this point, but assuming the Penelope will be available, this may longer be a huge deal. Most labs seem capable of processing 2 perf as well, so that doesn't seem to pose too much of a problem either or am I missing something?
With figures like this, who wouldn't shoot 2 perf?
Thanks for your help.
Posted 16 June 2007 - 01:23 AM
The two main arguments against 2-perf is (1) lack of available cameras to rent, particular quiet sync-sound ones, and (2) having a 2.35 negative, so panning & scanning for 4x3 home video versions is as bad as if you had shot in anamorphic.
But otherwise, it seems like a potentially great alternative format.
Posted 18 June 2007 - 01:58 PM
About 20 - 30 years ago, there was a guy down in Georgia or the Carolinas who bought up a bunch of 2 perf gear. He opened the width to full silent aperture (2.66:1), mounted a 2 perf Arri on a hang glider, and made some special venue films that were screened double system.
There was a guy in Austraila who made some 2 perf telecines. Crest here in Hollywood last I heard had a two perf telecine.
Posted 18 June 2007 - 04:50 PM
Posted 26 June 2007 - 04:38 PM
There are many transfer houses that can handle 2-perf telecine. Spirits can handle it, as well as other units with meta-speed servo control.
Can you name a few?
Posted 27 June 2007 - 09:51 AM
Can you name a few?
Any Spirit or Shadow for a start.
Posted 27 June 2007 - 11:19 AM
I seem to recall that if you looked at book rates for new stock, you're paying for real estate, so 4-perf 35mm is 4X the cost of Super-16 (being twice as wide and twice as tall), so 2-perf should be 2X the cost of Super-16 in terms of stock.
Last time I purchased film stock, The price per foot was the same for either 35mm or 16mm. But this wasn't new stock. I was buying short ends.