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#1 christopher bratton

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 03:56 PM

I have been shooting 16mm using Bolex and Beaulieu cameras with c mount lenses. I have just purchased a Arriflex 35 2C with Arri Standard and Arri Bayonet mounts. So I have been looking around Ebay for some lenses to fit my new camera. I see some Arri Standard and Bayonet mount lenses labeled as being for the 16mm format, some for the 35mm format, some that cover both and some that don't specify. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Is there an online reference guide for these lenses? Are there really some lenses that will work for both 16mm and 35mm?
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#2 Stephen Williams

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Posted 23 June 2007 - 04:29 PM

I have been shooting 16mm using Bolex and Beaulieu cameras with c mount lenses. I have just purchased a Arriflex 35 2C with Arri Standard and Arri Bayonet mounts. So I have been looking around Ebay for some lenses to fit my new camera. I see some Arri Standard and Bayonet mount lenses labeled as being for the 16mm format, some for the 35mm format, some that cover both and some that don't specify. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Is there an online reference guide for these lenses? Are there really some lenses that will work for both 16mm and 35mm?


Hi,

Lenses designed to cover 35mm will cover 16mm & therefore work.

www.cookeoptics.com have some historical information on their site.

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Posted 24 June 2007 - 11:05 AM

The Cooke site was helpful. Thanks, Stephen. I just wish Zeiss, Schneider, and Angenieux had sites like that. If anyone knows an online reference source for those lenses, let me know.
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#4 Mike Rizos

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:27 PM

Here's a quote from The camaraman's handbook(1974):

NOTE: 16mm and 35mm Arriflex lenses are interchangeable with the following exceptions: 5.7mm, 10mm, 16mm, and 25mm. These will not "cover" a 35mm aperture. The only wide-angle lenses that will "cover" a 35mm aperture are: 9.8mm, 14.5mm, 18.5mm retrofocus and the 28mm made for 35mm cameras.
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Posted 26 June 2007 - 09:51 PM

Thanks, Mike. That sounds like I book I need to look at. When it says "Arriflex lenses" do you think that means any lens with an arriflex mount...no matter the manufacturer?
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#6 Mike Rizos

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Posted 26 June 2007 - 10:06 PM

Yep, it includes all the standard and some bayo up to the date of publication. But more lenses for 35mm were produced later with a bayo mount.
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Posted 09 October 2008 - 03:05 PM

Here's a quote from The camaraman's handbook(1974):

NOTE: 16mm and 35mm Arriflex lenses are interchangeable with the following exceptions: 5.7mm, 10mm, 16mm, and 25mm. These will not "cover" a 35mm aperture. The only wide-angle lenses that will "cover" a 35mm aperture are: 9.8mm, 14.5mm, 18.5mm retrofocus and the 28mm made for 35mm cameras.


Any idea about a Zeiss zoom lens (10-100mm) with ARRI Bayonet mount?
I read somewhere that standard 16mm lenses might cover 35mm aperture at focal lengths over 50mm....is there any way to calculate this?
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#8 Allen Achterberg

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 03:16 PM

I've got some lenses in the Standard Mount for sale that cover 35mm. One or two that only cover 16mm. But I also have a Arri Standard to C-mount adapter so you can use these lenses on your Arri and your Bolex!

I dont know what it's worth but if you have a reasonable offer I'd sell any or all of it to you.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 04:14 PM

I've got some lenses in the Standard Mount for sale that cover 35mm. One or two that only cover 16mm. But I also have a Arri Standard to C-mount adapter so you can use these lenses on your Arri and your Bolex!

I dont know what it's worth but if you have a reasonable offer I'd sell any or all of it to you.

Best
Allen


Sounds interesting, which are the lenses?
Arri standard mount is the same for Arri 16mm and for example Arri 2B 35mm, right?
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#10 Jean-Louis Seguin

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:34 PM

A lens designed for the 16mm format will usually have the rear element group closer to the film plane than a lens designed for 35mm. Even though the lens mount is the same, the rear of the lens might interfere with your camera's mirror shutter, potentially causing damage. It is safer to stick to lenses designed only for 35mm format.

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#11 Hal Smith

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:53 PM

I've got some lenses in the Standard Mount for sale that cover 35mm. One or two that only cover 16mm. But I also have a Arri Standard to C-mount adapter so you can use these lenses on your Arri and your Bolex!
I dont know what it's worth but if you have a reasonable offer I'd sell any or all of it to you.
Best
Allen

Any chance you've got a Cooke 100mm Deep Field Panchro in Arri Std?
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#12 Allen Achterberg

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 03:04 AM

I'll messege you each tomorrow and let you know what I've got.

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