Jump to content


Photo

2 perf camera in Los Angeles?


  • Please log in to reply
11 replies to this topic

#1 chris dye

chris dye
  • Basic Members
  • PipPip
  • 35 posts
  • Other
  • Los Angeles, California

Posted 11 July 2007 - 12:04 AM

Anyone out there know if there is a rentable 2 perf 35mm camera available in the Los Angeles area? A sync sound one is preferable, but any would be good.

What about the Penelope? Does anyone know when it will be available for rent?

Thanks.
  • 0

#2 Kenny N Suleimanagich

Kenny N Suleimanagich
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 900 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • New York

Posted 11 July 2007 - 02:48 AM

You should check with Abel Cinetech LA. They'll probably be the first with the Penelope.
  • 0

#3 Bruce Taylor

Bruce Taylor
  • Sustaining Members
  • 482 posts
  • Other
  • Los Angeles

Posted 03 August 2007 - 08:58 PM

Hi Chris, sorry I didn't see this post earlier.
I will have a rentable 2 perf sync sound camera available in about a month to 6 weeks in Los Angeles. It is a Kinor 35H (yes one of those funny Russian cameras). It is currently being modified for 2 perf by Swede Anders Banke and his Russian camera elves. While they are doing the 2 perf conversion they are also adding his quite sophisticated new electronic motor controls, resilvering the viewfinder optics and adding his video tap optics. The camera was made in about 1990 and rarely used, it was one of Anders' back up cameras. The camera has an OCT19 lens mount, and I have a full set of Lomo primes, 18mm- 300mm. The 28mm -75mm are t1.4. There is addtionally a 20-120 T2.8 Lomo zoom with 1.6x and 2.1x extenders. Obviously this is no Penelope, but neither is the rental cost. Email me if you are interested: taylorcobmw@yahoo.com

Bruce Taylor
  • 0

#4 Max Jacoby

Max Jacoby
  • Sustaining Members
  • 2955 posts
  • Other

Posted 04 August 2007 - 02:09 AM

David said a while back that Panavision have a 2 perf camera. Not sure when Arri will release thr new 2 perf movements for the Arricams, but chekc with Clairmont, they should know.
  • 0

#5 David Mullen ASC

David Mullen ASC
  • Sustaining Members
  • 19759 posts
  • Cinematographer
  • Los Angeles

Posted 04 August 2007 - 08:09 AM

They have a 2-perf Panaflex movement that was last in the U.K. -- talk to Andy Romonoff at Panavision and see if they can get it over to Woodland Hills.

I heard that the 2-perf Arricam movements will only be available for Arri-owned rental houses -- don't know if Clairmont can get ahold of them or not when they come out next year. Probably.
  • 0

#6 Andy Romanoff

Andy Romanoff

    New

  • Basic Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts
  • Industry Rep
  • Woodland Hills, CA

Posted 05 August 2007 - 03:17 PM

They have a 2-perf Panaflex movement that was last in the U.K. -- talk to Andy Romonoff at Panavision and see if they can get it over to Woodland Hills.

I heard that the 2-perf Arricam movements will only be available for Arri-owned rental houses -- don't know if Clairmont can get ahold of them or not when they come out next year. Probably.


Hi Chris,

We have two 2 perf Panaflexes available out of the Woodland Hills office but they are currently in use on a feature. Depending on schedule you could be next... Give me a call at 818 316 2280 and let's see if we can make it happen.
  • 0

#7 Brad Grimmett

Brad Grimmett
  • Sustaining Members
  • 2660 posts
  • Steadicam Operator
  • Los Angeles

Posted 06 August 2007 - 05:39 PM

Can those movements be put into any of your cameras or are they dedicated to certain bodies, and if so, which body styles are they in?
  • 0

#8 Andy Romanoff

Andy Romanoff

    New

  • Basic Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts
  • Industry Rep
  • Woodland Hills, CA

Posted 06 August 2007 - 08:01 PM

Hi Brad,

Currently we have movements for the G2, Platinum and lightweight bodies. I think we may also have some Arri MOS bodies around. BTW, we also have some fabulous looking test film shot by Henner Hoffman ASC before he started a picture with these cameras. If you (or anybody thinking about shooting 2-perf) wants to see how good the format can look shooting with Primo glass please contact me to set up a screening.

Regards,


Andy


Can those movements be put into any of your cameras or are they dedicated to certain bodies, and if so, which body styles are they in?


  • 0

#9 Mitch Gross

Mitch Gross
  • Basic Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 2873 posts
  • Cinematographer

Posted 06 August 2007 - 11:43 PM

Hey Andy,

Just curious -- what's the top frame rate on your cameras with 2-perf movements? Same as with 4-perf? In theory the reduced forces needed to drag half as much film should improve stability and vertical and lateral registration, but I wonder if the 2-perf pulldown makes much of a real world difference compared to the stability of the registration pin.

...and this is where we descend into gearhead heaven.
  • 0

#10 Brad Grimmett

Brad Grimmett
  • Sustaining Members
  • 2660 posts
  • Steadicam Operator
  • Los Angeles

Posted 07 August 2007 - 03:10 PM

Thanks for the info Andy. Another question...are the 2 perf movements any louder than the 3 perf or 4 perf movements? I've heard in the past that 3 perf movements are generally louder than 4 perf movements (those comments were in reference to Arri), which would suggest that maybe the same is true with 2 perf. Is this true with Panavision movements, and does it get worse with 2 perf?
  • 0

#11 Andy Romanoff

Andy Romanoff

    New

  • Basic Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts
  • Industry Rep
  • Woodland Hills, CA

Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:14 AM

Hey Andy,

Just curious -- what's the top frame rate on your cameras with 2-perf movements? Same as with 4-perf? In theory the reduced forces needed to drag half as much film should improve stability and vertical and lateral registration, but I wonder if the 2-perf pulldown makes much of a real world difference compared to the stability of the registration pin.

...and this is where we descend into gearhead heaven.


Hi Mitch,

Sorry to be so long getting back. The 2 perf cameras run at the same frame rates as the 4 perf.

Andy
  • 0

#12 Andy Romanoff

Andy Romanoff

    New

  • Basic Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts
  • Industry Rep
  • Woodland Hills, CA

Posted 17 August 2007 - 12:21 AM

Thanks for the info Andy. Another question...are the 2 perf movements any louder than the 3 perf or 4 perf movements? I've heard in the past that 3 perf movements are generally louder than 4 perf movements (those comments were in reference to Arri), which would suggest that maybe the same is true with 2 perf. Is this true with Panavision movements, and does it get worse with 2 perf?


Hi Brad,

Sorry to be so slow to reply, I've been away for a few days :D

Although we haven't had the cameras in the test chamber yet I can tell you they are very quiet. When we get them back I will set up a test and let you know.

Regards,

Andy
  • 0


Glidecam

The Slider

Aerial Filmworks

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

Metropolis Post

FJS International, LLC

CineTape

Rig Wheels Passport

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

rebotnix Technologies

Broadcast Solutions Inc

CineLab

Tai Audio

Paralinx LLC

Ritter Battery

Technodolly

Willys Widgets

Abel Cine

Wooden Camera

Visual Products

Opal

Rig Wheels Passport

Media Blackout - Custom Cables and AKS

Tai Audio

Willys Widgets

Aerial Filmworks

Technodolly

Wooden Camera

The Slider

CineTape

rebotnix Technologies

Gamma Ray Digital Inc

Visual Products

Ritter Battery

CineLab

FJS International, LLC

Glidecam

Metropolis Post

Opal

Abel Cine

Broadcast Solutions Inc

Paralinx LLC