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#1 Christopher Wedding

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 09:07 AM

I have a shot coming up that is consuming all of my brain at this point.

Parameters;

Shooting on either the Genesis or F900. *probably the F900, but there is
hope. Have half a day to pull this shot off. Will explain more at the end.
Rating Genesis at asa 400 or F900 asa 320.

Basically the setting is a kitchen at night. One guy is one the ground and
another is kicking the crap out of him. Now, there is coverage here, but
then we go to a wide shot. From the wide shot is ALL ONE SHOT.

The kitchen cabinets are on the left and there is a kitchen island on the right.
We're looking from a low, low angle at the two guys, one on the ground
and one kicking him at the end of the 'corridor' formed by the cabinets on
both side.

OK, suddenly the guy standing gets shot and falls into the foreground. The
camera is on a steadi cam, or some sort of jib, and moves over the dead guy
seeing gruesome details of a gun shot to the head, his hand twitching,
up to the other guy's stunned face and around the corner of the kitchen
island and boom up a few feet to reveal who shot him.

That's all one shot. The director wants everything in focus. So that means
in order to see all the gruesome details of the gun shot wound as we're moving
by the guy I'll need a good lens choice.

First of all, I realize that I'll need a ton of light - F11 to F16 depending on
how close the director wants to get.

I've been looking at the innovision system

http://www.innovisio...nload/hdman.pdf

http://www.innovisio.../35p2plusman.PD

and the digiprimes (if we shoot F900).


I like the innovision system, but I'm unfamiliar with it.
If shooting the F900, the 5mm distorts to much,
so I'd probably use the 8mm at around F8, set at 21"
to be able to get about 12" away to 8 feet away in focus.

If the genesis, I'm looking at the 12mm around F8, at
21" for a similar DOF.

OK the questions...

A, has anyone used this sytsem?

B, If the F900, would a 5mm digiprime yield as passable result?
Does the 5mm distort? and is 16" minimum focus good to get
a good up close shot of the gunshot wound?

C, the other lens I've looked at is the Panavision Macro Zoom.
Anybody know if it could do the trick? I can't seem to find
too much info online about it.

D, is there a different lens or lens system you'd recommend?

Anyways, I'll keep you posted on what I find. This shot, is uber
complicated since everything needs to be in focus, we're using
a location and not a set, and lighting wise I need a ton of light and
have to hide it from the camera during a move that starts as a wide,
wide low angle (good thing I have the island to help hide stuff) and
moves around the island 90 degrees to show the cause of the gunshot.

I'll also be posting in the lighting section!

Thanks for reading, and let me know if you have any suggestions.

I'm hoping to go down to innovision today to get some better ideas
about the system.

Cheers,
Chris Wedding
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#2 John Holland

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 11:55 AM

Everything in focus all the time ? why? pull focus to show the horrible close ups of the gore will work much better , plus no way on location are you going to be able to light to levels you are talking about .
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#3 John Sprung

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 05:25 PM

For the kind of DOF you want, 2/3" would be better than the film-sized Genesis. Instead of F-900, try for a Viper.



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#4 Adamo P Cultraro

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 10:20 AM

This may sound sarcastic, but it is merely my ignorance showing - wouldn't having the entire scene in razor sharp focus look far too 'video-y' (for lack of a better term)?

I mean here are most of us trying to make everything look ultra cinematic with a shallow DOF and your guy wants what any $10K camcorder can deliver right out of the box.

I'm sorry I don't have anything constructive to add to your dilemma - I'm just puzzled by it.
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#5 Christopher Wedding

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Posted 05 October 2007 - 01:59 PM

Thanks for the responses guys. I've just looked at the 3.3 Softsun as one
way to pump some light in there since it doesn't give off a huge amount of
heat, so long as it has good airflow. John Sprung, I think we are going with
the F900 which will definetly help my cause.

As far as DOF is concerned and the puzzlement, DOF is not the only cinematic
trait of a good frame IMO (although it never hurts!), and 'ultra' cinematic should
still depend on the story, no? My gut instinct was to rack as well, but the more I think
about the moment and what it is in the story, the hyper real experience could work.

Can anyone answer about the 5mm Digiprime and whether it distorts or not?
It would be much appreciated.

Best,
Chris

Edited by Christopher Wedding, 05 October 2007 - 02:03 PM.

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