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#1 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 09:38 PM

So about a month ago I bought the Pro8mm Classic (pro8mm.com) This camera is remarkable and I absolutely love it and hate the fact that I must sell it. Go to the site to get the full specs.

Classic Pro
The Classic Pro is the super 8 camera of choice by industry professionals for its ease of use and durability. Now available in the new MAX 8 format for widescreen. The Classic Pro camera has been redesigned by our highly skilled technicians to meet the demands of individuals who have professional filmmaking aspirations. The Classic Pro has a solid metal design and gearing suited to provide years of trouble free filming making it the most reliable Super 8 camera around. A variety of options, accessories and lenses are available.

Max 8 format - widened gate - repositioined lens?Crystal Sync Control 24fps ?Interchangeable C-mount lens capacity?Variable filming speeds from 2 to 70 fps?Angenieux 8-64mm f/1.9 manual zoom?Internal exposure indicator?NiCad C-cell battery pack?5 Hr. charger?Fitted pelican case
Call for rental info 818-848-5522 or fax 818-848-5956
Eyecup
Metal lens covers (front and back)

I will throw in a sekonic analog light meter and 1 roll of pro8mm film - $200 value.
I love super 8 and I love film but I need to shoot tons of footage everyday which can become costly, so I am going dv. I know, traitor right? I have only used this camera once and can assure you it is just as I bought it. The camera was literally born 1 month ago - they built this for me. So how much you ask, well fr everything: $3,000.00 That's $500 less than the retail price, not including the light meter and film! If you're interested please email me: Paulyc44@aol.com.

Hurry before I change my mind.
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#2 Mike Crane

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Posted 10 October 2007 - 10:33 PM

Since Pro8 talks about how great their camera is, why not try to sell it back to them. $500 off their list price should be reasonable.
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#3 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 10:49 AM

Has your model a full Ultra 8 conversion, i.e. is it Max 8 (C/R/TM-by-Phil-etc)?
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Posted 11 October 2007 - 12:00 PM

The camera was literally born 1 month ago - they built this for me. So how much you ask, well fr everything: $3,000.00 That's $500 less than the retail price, not including the light meter and film! If you're interested please email me: Paulyc44@aol.com.

Hurry before I change my mind.



I'd say the camera was really born in the 70's and reconditioned, since it's really a Beaulieu 4008.
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#5 Matthew W. Phillips

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 12:21 PM

I'd say the camera was really born in the 70's and reconditioned, since it's really a Beaulieu 4008.


Well, if you want to be technical, yeah. But those cameras are overhauled, modified, and brought to new condition. All things considered, I'd rather pay $3k for that camera than for a Panasonic DVX100B.
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#6 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 01:58 PM

I expectd some bashing, however, which ever way you slice it this camera is top of the line and IS 100% overhauled w/max 8 and crystal sync - speeds 0-70, immaculate with many, many other professional feaures. So I'd be willing to bet that if somone offered you one for free you'd drop whatever crusty 40 year old camera you're using now in a heartbeat. My guess is that most of the animosity comes from one not able to afford it. If you're not interested, save your breath. I'd rather sell it to someone who appreciates fine craftmanship.

Cinematographer's are a nasty, nasty breed!
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#7 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:32 PM

Paul,

I am not familiar with the Pro8 4008-mod into Max 8, and cannot do any pre-purchase check-outs here in London as there aren't any around. Would it be possible for you to elaborate on one important matter:

The Max 8 conversion, as you said, involves the widened gate plus repositioned lens, of course. Could you briefly explain how the 1:1.33 viewfinder system has been adjusted to the Ultra 8 (Max 8) format. Would I be able to see the entire Ultra 8 frame when composing my shots, or has the viewfinder system been left unmodified and one would have hence to imaginatively "add" a bit to the side when setting the composed frame.

Thanks for taking the time.


P.S.: I think everyone here appreciates that a refurbished item can be rejunvenated to the extend that it is considered "as new" - whether its a 1972 Beaulieu 4008 or a 1963 Buick Riviera.
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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:45 PM

I expectd some bashing, however, which ever way you slice it this camera is top of the line and IS 100% overhauled w/max 8 and crystal sync - speeds 0-70, immaculate with many, many other professional feaures. So I'd be willing to bet that if somone offered you one for free you'd drop whatever crusty 40 year old camera you're using now in a heartbeat. My guess is that most of the animosity comes from one not able to afford it. If you're not interested, save your breath. I'd rather sell it to someone who appreciates fine craftmanship.

Cinematographer's are a nasty, nasty breed!



It's not a criticism, it's a truth. I've used ZC1000s mostly and have had Beaulieu/Ritter 7008PROSD8 systems so they're not exactly crusty 40 year old cameras. It's not animosity either, this is a discussion forum more than a classifieds section so whatever you post here can be discussed and should be allowed.

Edited by Tony Hudson, 11 October 2007 - 02:46 PM.

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#9 Matthew Buick

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:48 PM

a 1963 Buick Riviera.


Ah! The family car company. Not that I'll ever see any of its profits. The man who is a blood relative sold his share in the company - a share that would nowadays be worth $100 million!

I need a drink. :(
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#10 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 02:55 PM

Well, at least moving from derelict Detroit (or his your family part of the Scottish Buick bloodline?) to delapidated Newcastle wasn't too much of a shock for the family, then.

(just kiddin', just kiddin'; lived in Newcastle for a year, hold Geordies and Northumbria very close to my heart - great times I had indeed!)

I need a drink ;)

Edited by Michael Lehnert, 11 October 2007 - 02:56 PM.

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:38 PM

Well, at least moving from derelict Detroit (or his your family part of the Scottish Buick bloodline?) to delapidated Newcastle wasn't too much of a shock for the family, then.

(just kiddin', just kiddin'; lived in Newcastle for a year, hold Geordies and Northumbria very close to my heart - great times I had indeed!)

I need a drink ;)


The Buick side of the family comes from somewhere in Scotland. My dad was born in Glasgow and moved down here for work. He or his parents never lived in the US. The car chap and his parents (great great great great Grandparent I guess) moved out there. Yet a sibling must have stayed behind, probably with a grandparent. I really don't know the details.

I don't suppose General Motors would give me a free car, would you?
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#12 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 03:46 PM

You're right my friend. I posted the listing in this forum because it's super 8 oriented and I figured many people like myself involved with super 8 would love to know what's out there.

It's not a criticism, it's a truth. I've used ZC1000s mostly and have had Beaulieu/Ritter 7008PROSD8 systems so they're not exactly crusty 40 year old cameras. It's not animosity either, this is a discussion forum more than a classifieds section so whatever you post here can be discussed and should be allowed.


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#13 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 04:00 PM

Mike,

The viewfinder is modified with 16:9 guides. The viewfinder also is one of the best and brightest i know of. There is also a knob that you turn to implement ground glass for focusing. This camera is truly amazing, offering everything a serious cinematographer could want to create beautiful images. You should go to pro8mm.com and request there dvd demo. All the footage is shot with this camera and it looks jaw dropping.


Paul,

I am not familiar with the Pro8 4008-mod into Max 8, and cannot do any pre-purchase check-outs here in London as there aren't any around. Would it be possible for you to elaborate on one important matter:

The Max 8 conversion, as you said, involves the widened gate plus repositioned lens, of course. Could you briefly explain how the 1:1.33 viewfinder system has been adjusted to the Ultra 8 (Max 8) format. Would I be able to see the entire Ultra 8 frame when composing my shots, or has the viewfinder system been left unmodified and one would have hence to imaginatively "add" a bit to the side when setting the composed frame.

Thanks for taking the time.


P.S.: I think everyone here appreciates that a refurbished item can be rejunvenated to the extend that it is considered "as new" - whether its a 1972 Beaulieu 4008 or a 1963 Buick Riviera.


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#14 Tony Hudson

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 04:44 PM

Mike,

The viewfinder is modified with 16:9 guides. The viewfinder also is one of the best and brightest i know of. There is also a knob that you turn to implement ground glass for focusing. This camera is truly amazing, offering everything a serious cinematographer could want to create beautiful images. You should go to pro8mm.com and request there dvd demo. All the footage is shot with this camera and it looks jaw dropping.



Has the lens be re-centred so it's aligned with the 16:9 guides, meaning when you zoom it doesn't look like it's veering of to the left of shot.
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#15 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 05:00 PM

The lens has been re-centered, so when you look throught the viewfinder, whatever you see in the 16:9 frame is what you'll get on film. Now that's pro!

Has the lens be re-centred so it's aligned with the 16:9 guides, meaning when you zoom it doesn't look like it's veering of to the left of shot.


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#16 Tony Hudson

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 05:01 PM

The lens has been re-centered, so when you look throught the viewfinder, whatever you see in the 16:9 frame is what you'll get on film. Now that's pro!



Well that's great, a definite plus.
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#17 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:02 PM

I don't suppose General Motors would give me a free car, would you?


Well, ask them! There aren't many David Dunbar Buick descendents around.

Or offer your services and S8 skills for a TV ad shot on 7201 that depicts... let me visualise that... yeah... Tiger Woods and the new Buick Lucerne at Augusta, with Woods crossing Sarazen Bridge to get from the Fairway to the Green, and then achieving a second "double eagle" or a birdie; which then links-up to a new incarnation of Happy, the Hawk landing on the Lucerne's hood ornament... -- ... :lol:
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#18 Michael Lehnert

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 06:29 PM

Hey, Paul, thanks for the reply.

The viewfinder also is one of the best and brightest i know of. There is also a knob that you turn to implement ground glass for focusing. This camera is truly amazing, offering everything a serious cinematographer could want to create beautiful images.


:) Good sales pitch! I shoot with 4008-models for... well, quite ... decades (gosh, I need a tuck), so know it. It is without a doubt the best viewfinder on any S8 camera, beating many entry-level 16mm cameras as well. The lack of retractable ground glass in later Beaulieus was inexcusable. I would choose a 4008 over a 6/7/9008 any day (actually, "ownership" of 6008 drove my brother straight into Super 16)

You should go to pro8mm.com and request there dvd demo. All the footage is shot with this camera and it looks jaw dropping.


I know the DVD, and personally think that stylistically, it's the worst attempt to showcase what S8 neg stock and top-of-the-market cameras can achieve. Who came up with hand-camera shots for a test reel? Truly stupid! After watching it, I was so close calling Phil Vigeant to do his marketing for him. As if he would let anyone else... ;)

The viewfinder is modified with 16:9 guides.


Now to what I want to fully understand.

The lens has been shifted to a new optical axis to accomodate the extended frame, obviously, so the full Ultra 8 frame is fully exposed in accordance to the new optical line.

But I was under the impression that the guillotine mirror is not equally bigger enough to cover the fully extended image, so the added part of the Ultra 8 frame would not be seen through the viewfinder.
Has Pro8mm moved the optical axis of the entire viewfinder system as well, or somehow extended the ocular view by removing the 1:1.33 cache from the viewfinder?
You mention '16:9 guides'. Can you put a bit more flesh on what that means.

Thanks. Sorry if my questions are formulated confusingly. I just want to know if and how I can actually see or help to imagine the full Ultra 8 frame in the viewfinder (because conventional Super Duper jobs just leave the operator to imagine that there is "some more picture" available on the right hand side of the viewfinder. Surely that is not so in the Pro8Classic, or is it?)

Your help is highly appreciated, Paul!

Cheers, -Michael
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#19 Alessandro Machi

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 07:07 PM

Mike,

The viewfinder is modified with 16:9 guides. The viewfinder also is one of the best and brightest i know of. There is also a knob that you turn to implement ground glass for focusing. This camera is truly amazing, offering everything a serious cinematographer could want to create beautiful images. You should go to pro8mm.com and request there dvd demo. All the footage is shot with this camera and it looks jaw dropping.


You're not referring to the soccer footage that was actually shot on 16mm are you?
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#20 Paul James Savarese

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 07:33 PM

The soccer footage is the worst footage on the reel in my opinion. Anway, are you saying that pro8 is pawning off 16 footage as 8mm?

You're not referring to the soccer footage that was actually shot on 16mm are you?


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